Need youre advice Win M70 270WSM

[KyScott]

Thinkin about doing a few things to my M70 Coyote 270wsm. It wieghs in right at 10lbs with the 24" factory Medium Heavy barrel and it doesnt have any recoil really noticable at that weight. I would say it probably has around 300 rounds through it and I bought it new in 2003. It will be shot from 0 to around 500 yds and mainly used for deer hunting and probably some on Coyotes(which I have a 223 Rock River Coyote for but have killed 5 with my Short Mag) or for a Kentucky Elk if I ever get Drawn? LOL! I want to keep it as light as I can and still be very accurate. So heres what Im thinkin about doin.

Stock-Manners MCS-Gat

Scope-All ready have a Zeiss 4.5x14x44 to replace the Monarch

Bolt-Flute existing bolt, cerikote matt black and have Bolt Lugs and Bolt Face trued

Brake-Gentry Quiet break for less noise than most but still cut down on muzzle flip

Barrel-This is were I cant make my mind up? I want a fluted barrel to help get the weight down but do I have the one I have fluted or replace with new fluted barrel and if so who should I get to make the barrel? What length? What contour? I should add that I mostly shoot 130 and 140 grainers mostly in ballistic tips and accubonds. If I get a new barrel then Ill have the action trued as well.Dont forget I want to keep the weight down as much as I can. Thanks ahead of time for the info and take care.

 

[KyScott]

I forgot to add that the trigger is nice so I'll keep it as is. I'll pick a barrel maker later just give me some advice on contour and length for a 270wsm. Should I stay at 24" or go down in contour and go longer? I know you guys have more knowledge about this than me. Help me out here. Thanks again and take care.

 

[WildRose]

With 500yds being your outside limit you have lots of options.

What you might consider doing is having it cut, set back fluted all with the original barrel.

At the sme time have it cut to a max length of 22" as from what I read the 270wsm is efficient enough you probably aren't gaining much if any velocity with a longer barrel.

Of course have a good, recessed Target crown job done at the same time.

On the brake, if you do much if any prone shooting at all I'd avoid any of them that have the 360 Degree discharge pattern because they will cause a lot of dust being kicked up some of which will end up back in your face.

I put the Shrewd Varmint Brake (Brownell's I think maybe Midway) on my .260 and really like it. It discharges slightly forward and only to the sides and controls muzzle flip ver well.

 

[Sully2]

Thinkin about doing a few things to my M70 Coyote 270wsm. It wieghs in right at 10lbs with the 24" factory Medium Heavy barrel and it doesnt have any recoil really noticable at that weight. I would say it probably has around 300 rounds through it and I bought it new in 2003. It will be shot from 0 to around 500 yds and mainly used for deer hunting and probably some on Coyotes(which I have a 223 Rock River Coyote for but have killed 5 with my Short Mag) or for a Kentucky Elk if I ever get Drawn? LOL! I want to keep it as light as I can and still be very accurate. So heres what Im thinkin about doin.

Stock-Manners MCS-Gat

Scope-All ready have a Zeiss 4.5x14x44 to replace the Monarch

Bolt-Flute existing bolt, cerikote matt black and have Bolt Lugs and Bolt Face trued

Brake-Gentry Quiet break for less noise than most but still cut down on muzzle flip

Barrel-This is were I cant make my mind up? I want a fluted barrel to help get the weight down but do I have the one I have fluted or replace with new fluted barrel and if so who should I get to make the barrel? What length? What contour? I should add that I mostly shoot 130 and 140 grainers mostly in ballistic tips and accubonds. If I get a new barrel then Ill have the action trued as well.Dont forget I want to keep the weight down as much as I can. Thanks ahead of time for the info and take care.

If you STALK deer...then pay no attention to anything I say here. BTW...Im no big fan of WSM calibers but I do understand their killing power...etc.

For you...I wouldnt do a single thing except of course change the scope.

Less weight gets you more muzzle flip ( same as when you shave weight by fluting it)
$$$ syn stock gets you a lot more "Ohoooo's...and Ahhhh's"...and your gain is nothing
Fluted barrel bolt....same thing

For what you have described here ( not even counting the $$$ stock) You can KEEP the rifle you have and buy a Rem 700 LS in the caliber you might want. I paid $580 for mine...so add up what a stock and barrel PLUS having the barrel chambered and fitted.

What you presently have is doing you perfect for "ambushing" deer of killing Yotes

 

[brentc]

The first thing I would consider on your gun is a more sturdy scope mounting platform with a picatinny base or bases and sturdier rings. IMO the Redfield scope mounting system purely stinks. I've seen a lot of great guns get blamed for shooting poorly because of those nasty scope mounts.

 

[WildRose]

If you STALK deer...then pay no attention to anything I say here. BTW...Im no big fan of WSM calibers but I do understand their killing power...etc.

For you...I wouldnt do a single thing except of course change the scope.

Less weight gets you more muzzle flip ( same as when you shave weight by fluting it)
$$$ syn stock gets you a lot more "Ohoooo's...and Ahhhh's"...and your gain is nothing
Fluted barrel bolt....same thing

For what you have described here ( not even counting the $$$ stock) You can KEEP the rifle you have and buy a Rem 700 LS in the caliber you might want. I paid $580 for mine...so add up what a stock and barrel PLUS having the barrel chambered and fitted.

What you presently have is doing you perfect for "ambushing" deer of killing Yotes

Good point.

For the same money it would cost to modify this one, one could buy a complete lighter weight rifle in 7mm mag or even 300wm, or any of the short mag calibers as well.

 

[KyScott]

With 500yds being your outside limit you have lots of options.

What you might consider doing is having it cut, set back fluted all with the original barrel.

At the sme time have it cut to a max length of 22" as from what I read the 270wsm is efficient enough you probably aren't gaining much if any velocity with a longer barrel.

Of course have a good, recessed Target crown job done at the same time.

On the brake, if you do much if any prone shooting at all I'd avoid any of them that have the 360 Degree discharge pattern because they will cause a lot of dust being kicked up some of which will end up back in your face.

I put the Shrewd Varmint Brake (Brownell's I think maybe Midway) on my .260 and really like it. It discharges slightly forward and only to the sides and controls muzzle flip ver well.

Dont know if I want to make it any shorter Just thought that maybe I should go above the 24" to maybe a 26". I never lay down and shoot most of the time im sitting in a stand shootinf off of sand bags or sitting shooting off of bipods but I will definately check out the Shrewd. Is it considered to be one of the quieter Breaks? Thanks for thi info and take care.

 

[KyScott]

If you STALK deer...then pay no attention to anything I say here. BTW...Im no big fan of WSM calibers but I do understand their killing power...etc.

For you...I wouldnt do a single thing except of course change the scope.

Less weight gets you more muzzle flip ( same as when you shave weight by fluting it)
$$$ syn stock gets you a lot more "Ohoooo's...and Ahhhh's"...and your gain is nothing
Fluted barrel bolt....same thing

For what you have described here ( not even counting the $$$ stock) You can KEEP the rifle you have and buy a Rem 700 LS in the caliber you might want. I paid $580 for mine...so add up what a stock and barrel PLUS having the barrel chambered and fitted.

What you presently have is doing you perfect for "ambushing" deer of killing Yotes

I dont do much deer stalking. I know what you mean about the cost but not really looking to buy another rifle just want to make the one I like best a better shooter. Dont get me wrong it shoots very good but I would like to as they say on here "see my hit in the scope". I dont think it will be much lighter when I'm done than it is now. Just didnt want it any heavier. The syn stock isnt really for "Ohoooo's and Ahhh's more for weather and dragging it through the Briars and such plus Ireally like the feel of a pistol type grip stock. The Manner Gat weighs 2.8 lbs so I thought fluting the barrell and bolt would help out on weight. Thanks and take care.

 

[KyScott]

The first thing I would consider on your gun is a more sturdy scope mounting platform with a picatinny base or bases and sturdier rings. IMO the Redfield scope mounting system purely stinks. I've seen a lot of great guns get blamed for shooting poorly because of those nasty scope mounts.

Those are steel Leupolds rings and bases. Are the Picattiny type rails more stable if so what brand would you suggest. Thanks and take care.

 

[KyScott]

Just to clarify this is what I have owned. Browning Bar 7 mag, Remington BDL 300 Mag, 2 Remington Sendaro's both 7mm STW's. Liked them all but 270wsm is my favorite. I have 3 of them in my safe 2 model 70 Coyotes and 1 Remington CDL Boon and Crocket. So not really looking to buy another just wantin to biuld on what I have. Would like to biuld a bigger heavy hitter later on in 7 mag, 7 mag ultra, 300 mag, or 300 mag ultra later on but it will be a while. Thanks for all the info guys and take care.

 

[brentc]

Those are steel Leupolds rings and bases. Are the Picattiny type rails more stable if so what brand would you suggest. Thanks and take care.

The biggest weakness with the standard Leupold (Redfield type bases) is the windage screws on the rear base. I've also seen the the front ring shear off from a moderate recoiling rifle. They tend not to hold stable on moderate to heavy recoiling rifles. ie: zero shifting over time. The dual dovetail type bases are the best way to go with standard bases.

Another design that I have grown fond of for packing rifles is the talley lightweight integrated mounts. I have a set of Talley's on an M70 300 WSM and I love their clean look and simplicity.

A picatinny setup is generally more stable than the standard design. There are some high quality choices for a picatinny setup. You can go one piece or two piece. The one piece gives you more options as far as mounting, also it's ultra easy to remove the scope and transfer to another gun with a picatinny rail if you so choose.

Keep in mind the M70 WSM action is a specific length when ordering a one piece base. A couple bases that are available are Nightforce, Warne, and EGW. The Nightforce and Warne are steel bases, and the EGW is aluminum. As for rings there are a lot of choices, Burris Tacticals and Signature Zees, Warne, TPS, Nightforce, just to name a few.

 

[KyScott]

Thanks Brentc, Picatinny it is. I'll do some checking and see which brands you suggested are the lightest.

 

[Dalebow]

I love the wsm family, awesome, effective, feeding can be an issue UNLESS you use the browning/win 70 that the rounds were built around.

you basically have a target rifle and want a walking heavy sporter. Send it to MG arms, have them make one of the Kevlar/fiberglass stocks, have a Hart #3 contour 23" barrel put on it with their eliminator brake, cerekote everything, put your zeiss on it and you will have an 8.75# rifle with no recoil and will be a tack drive. I did the same thing with my 300wsm and Iam going to have another 300wsm done and sending a third 300 wsm to them to be rebarreled to 270wsm. You can send them the gun, no deposit because they have your gun and 6 months later you get an awesome gun

 

[KyScott]

I love the wsm family, awesome, effective, feeding can be an issue UNLESS you use the browning/win 70 that the rounds were built around.

you basically have a target rifle and want a walking heavy sporter. Send it to MG arms, have them make one of the Kevlar/fiberglass stocks, have a Hart #3 contour 23" barrel put on it with their eliminator brake, cerekote everything, put your zeiss on it and you will have an 8.75# rifle with no recoil and will be a tack drive. I did the same thing with my 300wsm and Iam going to have another 300wsm done and sending a third 300 wsm to them to be rebarreled to 270wsm. You can send them the gun, no deposit because they have your gun and 6 months later you get an awesome gun

Thanks man, I will definately check them out. Have they got a website and where are the located. That would work out good I could send it after Christmas.