NIGHT fORCE SCOPES
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ss7mm
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First of all, Welcome to Long Range Hunting.
Don't know where exactly you're from as it's not in your profile but it must be "another planet" as this is a really weird question.
Using the search function would get you so much reading on Nightforce scopes that you'd be old and gray before you got it all read and you'd find that it's all positive.
Giving the benefit of the doubt for a first post, I can tell you that unless you want to spend about double the money, you won't find better than Nightforce. At least that's my opinion.
Don't know where exactly you're from as it's not in your profile but it must be "another planet" as this is a really weird question.
Using the search function would get you so much reading on Nightforce scopes that you'd be old and gray before you got it all read and you'd find that it's all positive.
Giving the benefit of the doubt for a first post, I can tell you that unless you want to spend about double the money, you won't find better than Nightforce. At least that's my opinion.
twilli,
I bought a used one, the only problem I see is that I don't have money to buy more! Seriously, awesome scopes!
tjonh2001
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buy one and if you dont like it i will buy it at half price.. you wont be disapointed...
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stork
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Re: NIGHT fORCE SCOPES... long rant
My experience has been with 2 Nightforce scopes. An 8-32x and a 12-42x, both with the NP-1RR recticles. Both these belong to my prairie dog shooting partner (Chris) who lets me shoot up his ammo. They were mounted on, I'll call it a bench gun for lack of a more descriptive word. It is a Stolle Kodiac action, Jewell trigger, 28" Hart 1-10 twist, chambered for 243 ackley with the chambering reamer cut to lapua brass specifications and a tight neck, and mounted in a McMillan solid pour stock. The rifle has shot dozens of groups in the 1's and 2's.
The 8-32 was fantastic from the get go. the only complaint was for ranges in excess of 1200 yards we couldn't get enough elevation and the magnification was just a little less than we should have had (shooting prairie dogs). The multiple aiming points were great for holding off at a wide variety of ranges. The rangefinding circles were less than exact, but I expect that from usinga a stadia principle insted of an actual rangefinder.
The 12-42 was a lemon from the first. The groups were much larger than they were. Suspecting the barrel had finally gone south it was rebarelled to the same. Range sessions did not improve. The barrel was suspected & was returned to Hart. It was reinstalled with no improvement. While sitting at the bench I happened to dry fire it and saw the crosshairs jump. Not just a little, I'm talking 1 1/2" or more. It was then returned to Nightforce to be repaired. While talking to someone in the repair department Chris told him about the crosshairs jumping around. Whoever was on the other end told him "thats normal, all scopes do that". I think NOT!!! They reglued one of the lenses, gave it their 50 point inspection and returned it. It was remounted and then dry fired-same result, just not as much movement. So, pack it back up and send it back with the same complaint. At least this time the village idiot didn't answer the phone. However it still passed their 50 point inspection. Chris told them where the 50 point inspection can go and told them he wouldn't accept this scope back. About this time Chris got on the phone with Bill Shehane (GREAT GUY by the way)of D & B Supply, who was the source of both of these scopes, he really went to bat for Chris. End result, Chris got a new scope back. We haven't had a chance yet to wring it out, but will report on the findings of the new scope.
I realize this will probably ruffle a few feathers, but too bad. I saw the problems first hand. I know every scope manufacturer has problems, I've got over a dozen different Leupolds and have had to send 3 back for problems. In every case it was fixed without any fanfare or arguments.
FWIW
Stork
My experience has been with 2 Nightforce scopes. An 8-32x and a 12-42x, both with the NP-1RR recticles. Both these belong to my prairie dog shooting partner (Chris) who lets me shoot up his ammo. They were mounted on, I'll call it a bench gun for lack of a more descriptive word. It is a Stolle Kodiac action, Jewell trigger, 28" Hart 1-10 twist, chambered for 243 ackley with the chambering reamer cut to lapua brass specifications and a tight neck, and mounted in a McMillan solid pour stock. The rifle has shot dozens of groups in the 1's and 2's.
The 8-32 was fantastic from the get go. the only complaint was for ranges in excess of 1200 yards we couldn't get enough elevation and the magnification was just a little less than we should have had (shooting prairie dogs). The multiple aiming points were great for holding off at a wide variety of ranges. The rangefinding circles were less than exact, but I expect that from usinga a stadia principle insted of an actual rangefinder.
The 12-42 was a lemon from the first. The groups were much larger than they were. Suspecting the barrel had finally gone south it was rebarelled to the same. Range sessions did not improve. The barrel was suspected & was returned to Hart. It was reinstalled with no improvement. While sitting at the bench I happened to dry fire it and saw the crosshairs jump. Not just a little, I'm talking 1 1/2" or more. It was then returned to Nightforce to be repaired. While talking to someone in the repair department Chris told him about the crosshairs jumping around. Whoever was on the other end told him "thats normal, all scopes do that". I think NOT!!! They reglued one of the lenses, gave it their 50 point inspection and returned it. It was remounted and then dry fired-same result, just not as much movement. So, pack it back up and send it back with the same complaint. At least this time the village idiot didn't answer the phone. However it still passed their 50 point inspection. Chris told them where the 50 point inspection can go and told them he wouldn't accept this scope back. About this time Chris got on the phone with Bill Shehane (GREAT GUY by the way)of D & B Supply, who was the source of both of these scopes, he really went to bat for Chris. End result, Chris got a new scope back. We haven't had a chance yet to wring it out, but will report on the findings of the new scope.
I realize this will probably ruffle a few feathers, but too bad. I saw the problems first hand. I know every scope manufacturer has problems, I've got over a dozen different Leupolds and have had to send 3 back for problems. In every case it was fixed without any fanfare or arguments.
FWIW
Stork
NightforceKen
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Re: NIGHT fORCE SCOPES... long rant
First off welcome to Longrange hunting.
When the original call was made, it sounded like a simple issue; the reticle was moving under dry firing. Depending on what weapon you can and will see this on some scopes, especially on the higher magnification models. We (Nightforce) did go through the scope by putting the scope through a full battery of tests completing a 70 point inspection.
We could not duplicate the results this man was having at the factory. We called this man and told him that we had found nothing wrong and he had then brought up that the reticle was sticking and bouncing in between shots. This was an add on that we had not heard from the first initial call. With the mans permission, we took the scope home and mounted it on a 25-06. We shot multiple groups and we DID duplicate the results the man was speaking about.
I dont know ow it is called derogatory, that we said we did not find a problem with the best of our ability. Why on earth would we try and send a faulty scope back to the customer. Every scope that comes in for warranty work is treated with high priority so that we can fix the issue and eliminate it if need be. I know that the man could of been mad, trust me i was too when i couldent find the problem. Normaly when scopes come in for upgrades or warranty work they operate as a first in first out procedure, not this scope. Being that the scope had been sent in prior i personelly walked it to our head of operations for him to go through. He was busy on a military request but i had to pushed to the front of the line. We went through the scope with the best of our ability and at the shop we couldent find anything out of order. It wasent until we went out of our way on a Weekend to shoot this scope and try and diagnose it.
I am the one who answered the phone and i guess i am the village IDIOT. I have never had a problem with Customer service as i love the job of promoting our product and taking care of my fellow shooters.Any of you members can attest to my customer service, just ask Shawn Carlock or even Len.
We did get this man squared away and this has been a 1 in a Million flaw. It happens, would i publicly blast someone over this?
So in conclusion,
I am sorry I and we ( Nightforce) could not initial find the problem with this scope. We base our business on our reputation and Results. We went out of our way to try and diagnose this problem and it had taken sometime to do so, even when we pushed the testing well and above the normal procedures. I was not trying to make anyone mad when i called this man and told him we did not find a fault, it was tested to the best of our ability and just so happens to be a 1 in a million flaw. Reticle movment in some instances are normal under dry firing, will you see it in your 17 HMR maybe not, but a 14 pnd gun on a bench with a heavy firing pin, maybe. This is what sets apart cheap scopes to well made scopes, the scopes ability to move and return with pin point accuracy.
Respectfully,
Ken
AKA the Village Idiot
First off welcome to Longrange hunting.
When the original call was made, it sounded like a simple issue; the reticle was moving under dry firing. Depending on what weapon you can and will see this on some scopes, especially on the higher magnification models. We (Nightforce) did go through the scope by putting the scope through a full battery of tests completing a 70 point inspection.
We could not duplicate the results this man was having at the factory. We called this man and told him that we had found nothing wrong and he had then brought up that the reticle was sticking and bouncing in between shots. This was an add on that we had not heard from the first initial call. With the mans permission, we took the scope home and mounted it on a 25-06. We shot multiple groups and we DID duplicate the results the man was speaking about.
I dont know ow it is called derogatory, that we said we did not find a problem with the best of our ability. Why on earth would we try and send a faulty scope back to the customer. Every scope that comes in for warranty work is treated with high priority so that we can fix the issue and eliminate it if need be. I know that the man could of been mad, trust me i was too when i couldent find the problem. Normaly when scopes come in for upgrades or warranty work they operate as a first in first out procedure, not this scope. Being that the scope had been sent in prior i personelly walked it to our head of operations for him to go through. He was busy on a military request but i had to pushed to the front of the line. We went through the scope with the best of our ability and at the shop we couldent find anything out of order. It wasent until we went out of our way on a Weekend to shoot this scope and try and diagnose it.
I am the one who answered the phone and i guess i am the village IDIOT. I have never had a problem with Customer service as i love the job of promoting our product and taking care of my fellow shooters.Any of you members can attest to my customer service, just ask Shawn Carlock or even Len.
We did get this man squared away and this has been a 1 in a Million flaw. It happens, would i publicly blast someone over this?
So in conclusion,
I am sorry I and we ( Nightforce) could not initial find the problem with this scope. We base our business on our reputation and Results. We went out of our way to try and diagnose this problem and it had taken sometime to do so, even when we pushed the testing well and above the normal procedures. I was not trying to make anyone mad when i called this man and told him we did not find a fault, it was tested to the best of our ability and just so happens to be a 1 in a million flaw. Reticle movment in some instances are normal under dry firing, will you see it in your 17 HMR maybe not, but a 14 pnd gun on a bench with a heavy firing pin, maybe. This is what sets apart cheap scopes to well made scopes, the scopes ability to move and return with pin point accuracy.
Respectfully,
Ken
AKA the Village Idiot
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Interesting response Ken. I appreciate your taking the time to explain the complexities to us.
The fellow that had the problem with the scope... the difference between you and him is that this paticular NF scope could have made it a 1 out of 2 problem rate, rather than the rare exception that it was for you. So you can probably understand he would be coming at it from a much different perspective, and with a different attitude, if that were indeed the case.
The fact that you took the time to put together this tempered response is a credit to you and your customer service. Just keep in mind that most of us scope owners won't really know that we might have received one of those scopes with this rare type of a problem. All we know is that they either work, or they don't. Hey..., truth is, sometimes we don't even know that!
The fellow that had the problem with the scope... the difference between you and him is that this paticular NF scope could have made it a 1 out of 2 problem rate, rather than the rare exception that it was for you. So you can probably understand he would be coming at it from a much different perspective, and with a different attitude, if that were indeed the case.
The fact that you took the time to put together this tempered response is a credit to you and your customer service. Just keep in mind that most of us scope owners won't really know that we might have received one of those scopes with this rare type of a problem. All we know is that they either work, or they don't. Hey..., truth is, sometimes we don't even know that!
NightforceKen
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Phorwath,
I appreciate the kind words. I understand what it like to chase a problem to no avail. I am having an issue right now with a AR-15 that i just cannot get to the bottom of.
Just rest assured Gents, we take every measure humanly possible to send out every scope as close to perfection as humanly possible. If something should ever arise with the scope, at anytime, we stand behind our product with the best techs and support possible.
I will, and do, go out of my way everyday for customers. Just a few weeks ago I had a customer who had sent a scope in for a reticle change. After this was done we called the man to notify him that his scope was about to ship out. This scope was for his son who was wanting to go on his first hunt. Next day air had already left for the day and I was out of options. I took the scope home and the next day ( my day off and with his permission) I sent the scope out next day air so that they could still make it to hunting camp with their family.
Bottom line,
We do all we can in order to assure that every Nightforce owner is not only purchasing one of the best optics in the world, but also the finest CS and tech support available.
Regards,
ken
Jon A
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Very impressive service.
