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Thanks for taking the time to put together an educational video. Would be interesting to see what would happen if you did the same test with a suppressor.
I would think that a suppressor would not have any down force because all of the exit holes are in the front (I Think).

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Re: How important is seeing the hit

Very interesting information and I'm glad you shared it with us all. I'm also glad I didn't go with a top ported break!
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J E once again you amaze. Thanks.
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J E once again you amaze. Thanks.

Thanks geo4061 for your kind words. I mostly do my experiments for my own education, But some time a feel I have to share the results with others if it is beneficial.

The slow motion Videos work well in most cases to show things that the eye normally cant see. If you notice in the Video, we moved the restraint on the last rifle to control the stock flex because we were worried about breaking it. It still flexed the wrist area so we discontinued testing it in fear of braking a very expensive stock.

Heavy barrels are less flexible so the down force is transferred to the stock causing this reaction. this is a Sendero Taper and Is stiff enough to flex the stock.

This test also explained why accuracy fell off in light barrels with large/heavy bullets, Even if they didn't have a muzzle brake the barrel twisted and/or flexes hitting the stock even when floated.

I am glad everyone enjoyed the Video.

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My brake on my 7SAUM has 4 small ports on top. I threaded them all. Ended up with 3 plugged and 1 open for the most NEUTRAL shot. You could even run reducer bushings in 1 or several to further tune. I did this and also slightly cocked the side ports to counter twist in recoil with the longer bearing surfaces. I'm happy with my results.
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My brake on my 7SAUM has 4 small ports on top. I threaded them all. Ended up with 3 plugged and 1 open for the most NEUTRAL shot. You could even run reducer bushings in 1 or several to further tune. I did this and also slightly cocked the side ports to counter twist in recoil with the longer bearin<script id="gpt-impl-0.6232750926957264" src="https://securepubads.g.doubleclick.net/gpt/pubads_impl_107.js"></script>g surfaces. I'm happy with my results.

That's probably the best way to fix this problem. We looked at other ways and to "Tune" the brake
threading one hole and using threaded bushings with different size holes was the best way.

Also to show how much effect the location had, we moved the ported bushing from the front hole to the back hole (4 top port holes) and there was a change in POI (the location appeared to effect the harmonics differently) accuracy seemed to be the best when the back hole (Nearest the receiver)was used for the top vent. This was probably due to the difference in the moment arm (Length)of the port to the receiver.

This led to the conclusion that if it made that much difference, We needed to compare the Tuned port brake to the same brake with all the top ports plugged for accuracy. Test showed that the brake with all the ports plugged shot the best group (More accurate even though it was very small).

This led us to the conclusion (At least with the test rifle)that the un opposed port, even though it resolved the muzzle rise/drop problem. was causing differences in the harmonics effecting accuracy and with the same loads and the same SDs and ESs. when all forces were in line with the bore, they seemed to have less negative effects.

I do feel that with good loads these effects can be negated/controlled to have little or no negative
effect on accuracy. Also keep in mind that the bullet is in the process on leaving the brake before any on these issues have much of a chance to cause issues with accuracy.

Neutralizing barrel flex has nothing but plus's for the bedding and the stock.

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Very interesting topic. Thanks for sharing.
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