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Old 03-25-2013, 10:57 PM
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There are a few things to think about. Most rangefinders range about 1/2 of their rated yardage. In the actual field in all conditions a 1200 yard rangefinder is only good to 600. When you really need to take a shot it will fail you. It does not matter if the rangefinder can sing to you if you don't know the range. The world is full of smart phones etc. etc. All will give you the drop with the push of a finger. The beam size of anything less than a terrapin is so large that you can never be sure the beam is not hitting many other things rather than your target. Ask the people who have tried to range targets on flat ground and those who tried to thread trees to hit a very small deer or elk. You will quickly see that rangefinders are all about raw power and beam size. It baffles me when people carry around a rifle that is often 2000.00/4000.00+ and then can't afford a two thousand dollar rangefinder. Even worse, they drive 30,000.00 four wheel drive trucks and ten thousand dollar snow machines. For many years my rifle in my vehicle was worth more than the junker I went hunting in. I guess it is only what you want that matters. Good luck in your shopping.
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Old 03-25-2013, 11:21 PM
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There are a few things to think about. Most rangefinders range about 1/2 of their rated yardage. In the actual field in all conditions a 1200 yard rangefinder is only good to 600. When you really need to take a shot it will fail you. It does not matter if the rangefinder can sing to you if you don't know the range. The world is full of smart phones etc. etc. All will give you the drop with the push of a finger. The beam size of anything less than a terrapin is so large that you can never be sure the beam is not hitting many other things rather than your target. Ask the people who have tried to range targets on flat ground and those who tried to thread trees to hit a very small deer or elk. You will quickly see that rangefinders are all about raw power and beam size. It baffles me when people carry around a rifle that is often 2000.00/4000.00+ and then can't afford a two thousand dollar rangefinder. Even worse, they drive 30,000.00 four wheel drive trucks and ten thousand dollar snow machines. For many years my rifle in my vehicle was worth more than the junker I went hunting in. I guess it is only what you want that matters. Good luck in your shopping.
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Sorry, I have to disagree with much of the info you posted, especially when it comes to the RF's being discussed. The G7 and 1600 are good to and often times beyond their range rating. This has been verified here many times. And their beam divergance is pretty good as well especially for the price. Not saying the Terrapin isn't better, it is, but the others are not the slouches you make them out to be.

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Old 03-25-2013, 11:22 PM
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I may not have been clear enough on my question, as it really relates to the Leica 1200B vs the G7 BR2. The Terrapin looks like the top of the line RF, but it reaches out a lot farther than I can shoot or need and does not have any ballistics specific compensation. So the issue is not how good other products might be...I've already done that research. Rather, I need to know if the 1200B's pre-set curves are good enough for the vast majority of factory and hand loads to be used out to 600 yards. If so, I'll get the Leica for its lighter weight and convenience; if not, I'll get the G7 for its better ballistics program. Thanks,
Skip
FWIW, the curves on the 1600B should be good to go an about anything out to 600 yards or so. Not sure how that relates to the 1200. I would guess they are the same.

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Old 03-26-2013, 01:04 AM
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Sorry, I have to disagree with much of the info you posted, especially when it comes to the RF's being discussed. The G7 and 1600 are good to and often times beyond their range rating. This has been verified here many times. And their beam divergance is pretty good as well especially for the price. Not saying the Terrapin isn't better, it is, but the others are not the slouches you make them out to be.

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+1. I own a Terrapin, G7, and Leica Geovids, (same beam as the 1600). I have successfully ranged with accurate hits with all three at 1000+ yards. No problem accurately ranging deer at 1300+ with the G7 and Leicas. I have accurately ranged to 2000 yards with the G7. The Terrapins power and narrow beam are very evident, but you can be quite successful with all but a small percentage of the practical ranging situations with the others. IMO.
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Old 03-26-2013, 08:25 AM
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Greyfox, I agree with most of what you posted but think the part of "all but a small percentage of the practical ranging situations" is a bit optimistic. I see this all the time. I feel there are many errors on shots below 700 from large beams that go somewhat undetected because the mis-range still resulted in a hit on the animal. Example, a shot at 600 yards needs 9.5 moa. if the reported range was 550 the dial up would be 8.5. So the bullet would go 1 moa or 6" low and still result in a hit. Just not as well placed. This is especially so with shooters using rocks to test drops and equipment. A 1 moa miss is close enough to get a smile many times on a 4 moa rock and they may never know their RF gave them an incorrect reading.

If I remember correctly you too have seen some of this now that you have the terrapin to show what a true reading is. You and I are lucky to have the Terrapin and the PLRF10 to use as a checking device. At least it has been an eye opener for me. I know when I head out to range antelope in sage brush the errors of the larger beam units are not a small percentage. That does not mean they will always result in a miss, but we all know an accurate reading in distance is the most important element of any long range shot if we want to place it well.

My point is if more shooters had the chance to see what you and I do with a checker there to point out mis-ranges, they too would see. But since this is such an expensive thing to do it is not practical.

So, I believe this is why so many think just because the unit they have in there hand gives them a number to a long distance it is great. The fact is they would be better off in the long run if it didn't give a reading on far targets.

Please don't take what I am saying as picking on the G7. I have already stated it is a great unit if you want a RF that gives out corrections. I am referring to any of the many large beamed units. I just feel users need to know the weaknesses of large beams and watch for it to be as successful as possible.

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Old 03-26-2013, 10:09 AM
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Re: Gunwerks G7 BR2 Rangefinder Review

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sorry, i have to disagree with much of the info you posted, especially when it comes to the rf's being discussed. The g7 and 1600 are good to and often times beyond their range rating. This has been verified here many times. And their beam divergance is pretty good as well especially for the price. Not saying the terrapin isn't better, it is, but the others are not the slouches you make them out to be.

Scot e.
you are 100% correct ,,,the g7 as far as i,am concerned is the best unit for most hunters ,,maybe not long range shooters. It is designed for hunters by hunters.
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Old 03-26-2013, 10:35 AM
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Re: Gunwerks G7 BR2 Rangefinder Review

My Range finder is very accurite and I have checked it out with a surveying laser and the near and far modes are spot on and you can tell the difference as it will range twigs etc along with the 19 brands of ammo and the ballistic data was supplied by Sierra and every size you can think of, and I can have read outs in MOA, MIL, CMs or Inches, I have also checked it with a mildot scope and it will go beyond 1300yds

I think you really have to have a some serious ranging issues to pay that much for one especially seeing as you cant change the read out on it

Beautiful IT IS, and very long range but its faults are some of the most important ones,

John

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