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CED M2 Chronograph Review By Bryan Chatwell

 
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Old 11-24-2010, 07:23 PM
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Re: CED M2 Chronograph Review By Bryan Chatwell

I'm taking a chance here due to the fact that Charles Hardy, CEO of CED has promised me a refund several times over in a 4-5 week period and it's still not here.

I purchased my Oehler M33 about 1980-81 and used it successfully until it finally died about 1-1/2 years back. At the time Oehler, to my knowledge, no longer had repair parts for the M33. I bit the bullet and bought a CED M2. I was impressed with it for about the first 8 months. It quit working. I called CED's CS and they had me run their "flashlight test". It failed. Over the next several months, I ended up sending in first the main unit, then one skyscreen and then the next, paying for shipping each time. They kept replacing parts until I basically had a new one. Mr. Hardy even called me from Hong Kong while on a business trip. After 1/2 hr phone call he even told me he suspected I didn't know how to properly chronograph but changed his mind and told me I did, in deed, know what I was doing. Once I had all the new parts, I was able to start chronographing for a few brief weeks. It got to the point that I could tell the time of day by the time the chronograph quit working; about 10:30 am. It didn't matter what direction I shot, the unit just quit working. I tell you, I got tired of wasting my whole summer, going out to shoot and not being able to get any velocity numbers. I also got tired of dealing with the CS folks, as polite as they were. I finally had enough. I wrote a somewhat terse email to CED. Hardy replied himself and things just went down hill from there with him accusing me of not knowing what I was doing and that it was all my fault. I demanded a refund. He obliged but demanded I return all the items with their receipts. I did just that. It arrived and a return email arrived stating the unit was broken and that they would only be able to return a portion of the full refund. At this point, I was fed up, tired and full of regret for even dealing with CED. I accepted their offer. It has yet to come and I'm sure Hardy will get wind of this post and some how refuse to pay me as promised.

On another note, I ordered my Oehler M35p in July and it arrived last month. What a wonderful piece of engineering. It simply works and works and works, even under the exact same conditions the CED failed.

Like optics, pay once and cry once; buy the Oehler 35p!

Alan
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Old 11-29-2010, 11:15 AM
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Re: CED M2 Chronograph Review By Bryan Chatwell

I had at first thought of the inputs being wrong, But I can tell you after messing with this in everyway possible, new batteries, New sensor sent to me after sending mine back & Customers Service telling me they were fine. Like Allen, I have been through all the CS & spoke with Mr. Hardy, his wife. It all came back to being told the unit actually is made to test speeds at shooting events to make sure they are legal for the competition. That I needed to build a coffin box to put it in.

It evidently (thier own words) is not built to shoot your reloads through checkig for accuracy at the same time as speeds. Pretty discusted at this point & to the point it is an effort to take it out & try again.

I had bought this unit as all the Talk was it was the best on the market & Ohler at that time was no longer available & the used ones I found they wanted $600 - $700. I am glad to see that they evidently are making Ohlers again. Oehler Model 35P Chronograph with Built-In Printer, 3 Type 3 Skycreens, 3 Detectors and 2' Mounting Rail - MidwayUSA

I wish I had my money back from the CED M2 so I could apply it toward the new Ohler. I get the feeling that is not an easy thing to get, a refund.
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Old 11-29-2010, 12:08 PM
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Re: CED M2 Chronograph Review By Bryan Chatwell

Whoops

Last edited by Alan Griffith; 11-29-2010 at 06:52 PM. Reason: double post
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Old 11-29-2010, 12:13 PM
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I will report that a check for $74.82 arrived on Friday, nearly two weeks after my last email from Mr. Hardy.

I too did review the DVD. It seems to me their device will "best" work in a black box. Yeah right! Black box my ass! I need to keep my stuff portable, as in 4-door sedan. I also shoot in various locations, directions, type of guns TBD, etc. I can't haul around a box.

Alan
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Old 11-29-2010, 01:07 PM
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Re: CED M2 Chronograph Review By Bryan Chatwell

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Originally Posted by Alan Griffith View Post
Like optics, pay once and cry once; buy the Oehler 35p!

Alan
10-4. I'm still using an long-lived Oehler 33. I also purchased an Oehler 35P this summer too, so I run it also.

Now that the Oehler 35P is available for $350 through Midway, the cost premium isn't all that terrible compared to the CED unit. And no need to build a coffin (black box) to bury it in if it doesn't work. Sorry to hear about your problems and the hassle involved.

They refunded $75 for a ~$200 unit?
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Old 11-29-2010, 01:40 PM
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Re: CED M2 Chronograph Review By Bryan Chatwell

I have had the CED M1 for along time and recently I had to add infared sky screens to make it work because there is too much shade at the 100 yard lane for my unit to work early in the morning when I shoot. If I go to the 200 yard range which is more open no problem with even with my old screens. But I did find out yesterday with my 223 that it worked the best at about 6 feet from the muzzle. I sure hate to hear of all the problems and no service that is happening with the M2 unit. I know that I and many others on this site rely on the experence that others have with items before we buy anything. Seems like a retailer would focus on these problems and make things right. Oh well well will just have to wait and see how sales are.
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Old 11-29-2010, 03:47 PM
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Re: CED M2 Chronograph Review By Bryan Chatwell

Its not like this is a new unit which just came out last week. It has been around for a few years at least as I bought mine for my own Christmas gift 2 years ago. Sell a product that takes an add (infra red kit) to make it work, but maybe that was the plan or ended up being the fix.

Mr. Hardy also asked if the velocity seemed to be in the correct range, even though I recieved an ERROR Code. Just ignore the Error if it give you a velocity which seems in the range. That is basically what I get most of the time Error with a velocity, but a lot of the time no velocity. Mine seems to work better when cloudy then direct sunlight. I built a screen to put over it (screen door screen) hoping to shade the sensors to a consistant light. The direct light seems to light up the glass in the sensor, vs. it being in the shadow. Thus why the post earlier said his quit working at 10:30 in the morning.

Looked at Midways reviews the glowing ones at the top of page but if you go to the bottom of the reviews there are the 1 star people.

This has renewed my interest in trying to resolve, send back or something. I hate to sell to someone knowing what trouble I have had with it. IF anyone wants one I would consider selling it to him. $175.00 shipped to you.
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