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Re: Barnes's Tests Prove Why Berger Hunting VLDs Are So Successful By Eric Stecker

Hey Spanky.....Hold the target STILL!

LMAO!

I wish I could mix those two bullets together stretch the barns, keep the tip, add that RBBT, get the BC up...till then. Last load I worked the Barnes beat the Accubond both shot 1/2 moa but man the Barnes was stackin em!
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Hey Spanky.....Hold the target STILL!

LMAO!

I wish I could mix those two bullets together stretch the barns, keep the tip, add that RBBT, get the BC up...till then. Last load I worked the Barnes beat the Accubond both shot 1/2 moa but man the Barnes was stackin em!
BTW waitin on some Bergers now, will be my first batch, just dont want yall to think Im pimping the Barnes.
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Re: Barnes's Tests Prove Why Berger Hunting VLDs Are So Successful By Eric Stecker

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Secondly everyone is always talking about when you hit them in the boiler room they are screwed and I agree a berger can be devastating in the right conditions. I have seen them kill, I have also seen them fail. (and by fail I mean blow up on an elks shoulder and a second and third shot was required to put them down) that was with a 168vld in a 7 mag. What about when that big tough bull is running away from you into the trees and your only shot is to break his back half?? I am gonna put my money on a partition or a barnes. I doubt very many of you have killed more elk than me and I have seen 2-3 times that many being shot with every variation you can think of and I know what it takes to but down big adrenaline filled animals and its bone crushing deep penetrating projectiles. smaller stuff like deer and antelope are easy you can kill them with about anything, but for stuff that matters I am going to pick a bullet that wont fail. Even if it doesnt open up its still poking holes and breaking bones, nothing can live with a sucking chest wound, and it certainly cant use a crushed bone.....
Not calling you out Mike, but for the exact reasons you use Barnes I have changed over to softer bullets like the Berger and Matrix. We all have different expectations of a bullet so for us to all agree on one bullet just ain't happening!

I think the Barnes can be to hard for elk and opens to fast causing deflection instead of penetration, seen it proven several times on the front shoulder of elk. This year we tested the 165 Matrix on elk, hard quartering shots in the timber was more the norm this year and instead of just breaking the spine these bullets REMOVE a section of spine and blow it into vital organs, more than once we were lucky we were shooting fangable bullets, had a gut shot deer that tipped over like you shot him through the lungs due to the bullet going in and delivering enough energy to split the liver and disrupt other organs. A hard bullet would have likely caused a loss of an animal.
For me the Bergers have really shined in the less than ideal shot placement, when we were all shooting Barnes we were much more careful about shot placement due to loosing animal with less than ideal placement or bullets deflecting of bone.
I still shoot some Barnes bullets in situations where they work great, deer and antelope with high power rifles or coyotes. Looking at the Cutting Edge bullets they may be the ideal bullets with a little of both worlds!!
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Re: Barnes's Tests Prove Why Berger Hunting VLDs Are So Successful By Eric Stecker

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Hey Spanky.....Hold the target STILL!

LMAO!

I wish I could mix those two bullets together stretch the barns, keep the tip, add that RBBT, get the BC up...till then. Last load I worked the Barnes beat the Accubond both shot 1/2 moa but man the Barnes was stackin em!
Check out the Newish Barnes LRX. It's like a stretched out TTSX. I don't know the BC but it's for sure higher than the TTSX.

New Barnes LRX® | Barnes Bullets

Looks like they make a 6.5 -127 gn, 7mm -168 Gn, 338 Lapua -280 Gn and 308 in 175 and 200 gn.
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Check out the Newish Barnes LRX. It's like a stretched out TTSX. I don't know the BC but it's for sure higher than the TTSX.

New Barnes LRX® | Barnes Bullets

Looks like they make a 6.5 -127 gn, 7mm -168 Gn, 338 Lapua -280 Gn and 308 in 175 and 200 gn.
Will do, I have 100 pieces of brass ready to go. Finished workin a load with 190 Bergers today shot a .70 5 shot at 100 yards, horrible winds and freshly cleaned barrel group was getting tighter on the last 3 shots. take out the first shot and its well within .4 so I quit and loaded a batch of.....

190 Berger vld hunting
81gr H1000
cci LGR 200 primers
Norma brass
col of 3.560
no fps chrono is busted

Sendero, W/ jewel trigger and NF scope
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Check out the Newish Barnes LRX. It's like a stretched out TTSX. I don't know the BC but it's for sure higher than the TTSX.

New Barnes LRX® | Barnes Bullets

Looks like they make a 6.5 -127 gn, 7mm -168 Gn, 338 Lapua -280 Gn and 308 in 175 and 200 gn.
Will do, I have 100 pieces of brass ready to go. Finished workin a load with 190 Bergers today shot a .70 5 shot at 100 yards, horrible winds and freshly cleaned barrel group was getting tighter on the last 3 shots. take out the first shot and its well within .4 so I quit and loaded a batch of.....

300 WM
190 Berger vld hunting
81gr H1000
cci LGR 200 primers
Norma brass
col of 3.560
no fps chrono is busted

Sendero, W/ jewel trigger and NF scope
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Re: Barnes's Tests Prove Why Berger Hunting VLDs Are So Successful By Eric Stecker

Okay, I am going to make this failry short. I have absolutely no take for either side but:
This years fall big game season using the following:
1. Custom gunsmith built long range 300 Win mag with a nightforce scope

2. Custom reloads using the 210 gr Match Grade VLD Hunting bullet; FPS is getting clocked at around 2805.

3. Countless range time validations for continuous consistent 5/8" groups @ 200 yards. (We know the bullet shoots and is very accurate)

4. Individual using this rifle takes game every year and with "one shot" kills the absolute norm.

In the field, normal 68 degree weather, sun shining, 1-2 mph wind at most. Buck Muley at approximately 60 yards, give or take 5 yards. Shooter and 3 additional hunters at the scene. It is not rutting season yet but this Buck will not leave this one small marsh. standing like his picture is being taken.

Shooter aims, fires. Buck drops like a table with a 500 pound weight and the legs get cut off. Everyone is walking to the kill to celebrate. This buck is DRT. It is in the freezer. It is "one shot as usual kill". It is.... it is.... its.... its back up on all fours and taking off. Its running, its , its, its.... GONE.

No blood path. Nothing to assist in tracking. Did the bullet explode on impact at that close range? Don't know, but this hunters experience and expertise in shooting leaves us no doubt that he "DIDN'T HIT THE ANTLERS" as some might state.
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