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Barnes's Tests Prove Why Berger Hunting VLDs Are So Successful By Eric Stecker

 
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Old 06-26-2009, 09:16 PM
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Re: Barnes's Tests Prove Why Berger Hunting VLDs Are So Successful By Eric Stecker

Im no expert, and im not the smartest fella but when I look at the accuracy chart and all the barnes bullets go under m.o.a. and all other bullets put up not only lackluster results, but mediocre at best. Bullets we have all used with good results, apparently wont shoot for them. However the barnes performance ,accuracy wise was stellar, contrary to what most people experience with the barnes. After the first chart I looked at the rest of the info with little expectation of an unbiased and objective result. Not to mention the power belt test, I dislike them cause they deform too rapidly and they claim no expansion. Come on!
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Old 06-27-2009, 05:10 AM
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Re: Barnes's Tests Prove Why Berger Hunting VLDs Are So Successful By Eric Stecker

I have had great success with Barnes TSX in my 7MM08 but always found the quoted BC to be overstated.

When I get the 7mm08 rebarreled I am wanting to try the .284 140gn Hunting VLD for my longer shots.

Just wish we had a decent Berger distributor here in New Zealand that holds a good variety of stock.
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Old 06-27-2009, 09:34 AM
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Re: Barnes's Tests Prove Why Berger Hunting VLDs Are So Successful By Eric Stecker

Agree with the conclusions.. I shoot SMK’s for most hunting situations as well as all match shooting. The bullets chosen in the tests have relatively thin jackets and the initial velocities given the impact range at 100 yards is a given pretty much at the longer ranges it is a different story. Have a good friend at Sierra who I have known for around 20 years and we shoot together in competition. I specifically choose the SMK’s used for hunting by jacket thickness and core content ---- ABSOLUTELY take into account the impact speed during the load development process.

Do not want to get into a peeing contest here but if you want to be successful at 600 yards the same ammo might not be the best choice at 75 yards. That is why in a couple of my rifles I have 2 different loads that I can use -- one for short and one for long. Some if not most will not want to go to this much trouble but for those that do it is fun.
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Re: Barnes's Tests Prove Why Berger Hunting VLDs Are So Successful By Eric Stecker

Good article by both Eric and Barnes ; kind of. In my opinion the test images clearly show the proper and consistant performance of the vld. Notice the initial penetration then the MASSIVE wound channel that went a minium of 10 to 12 inches. I have limited experience with barnes and have no quarrell; but I do have much experience with the vld. I shoot a 6.5-284 exclusively with 140 vlds at 2950fps. I have not had the luxury to hunt elk but i've been practicing on wild hogs here in Texas for YEARS. An example that comes to mind is this spring I shot a boar around 200 lbs at a lasered 647 yds . The impact was high center ribcage with total pass through. The hog dropped , got up(if you ever hunted hogs you know they are TUFF) spun twice and wobbled off in the brush. I went to track him and found where he was standing. The ground was covered in blood ,blood soaked foodstuffs , and what looked like mutalated lung. There was a thick blood trail with bone fragments for about 100 yards into the thick briars in wich I did not trek; allthough , his demise I am certain. I drove about a mile to a different pasture and found another group of hogs with a large spotted boar around 275 lbs. After a short stalk I lasered him at 197 yds and placed a dead on point of shoulder shot to test bullet performance. He was dropped instantly. During post mortum I found the following: thru armor plate, shattered scapula, top of heart gone, both lungs blood shot with bullet fragments in off side lung , pencil hole in front of off side shoulder with bullet remains(probably about 40-50 grs) resting just under hide. These two examples show good performance on both close and extended range. Again, Ihave no quarrel with Barnes, but I shoot only one bullet. VLD !
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Old 07-02-2009, 01:48 PM
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Re: Barnes's Tests Prove Why Berger Hunting VLDs Are So Successful By Eric Stecker

Our Technology Manager, Mark Durfee had an opportunity to hunt black bear outside of St. Johns. On the fourth day they spotted a bear about 2 miles away. They spent considerable effort making their way through the marshlands to get a closer shot.

After coming over the rise that they believed would be their last they stopped to recover and see where the bear had gone. Within moments of taking a knee Mark feels the guides hand touch his shoulder. He looks up and sees the 350 pound black bear 30 feet directly in front of them.

Fortunately, the bear was upwind and had not noticed the two men. Mark setting his pack down maneuvers his 30-06 Winchester rifle around for the shot trying to keep his breathing steady. He shoulders the rifle and within a short period of time cracks the trigger.

The bear lurched and dashed into the nearby trees and shrubs. The two men paused to listen for activity and decided to move forward. The bear had traveled 10 feet and was still. The bullet entered just behind the near shoulder traveled though the internals and what was left came out through the far shoulder.

To prepare for this hunt Mark tested the accuracy of his rifle with the 30 cal 210 gr VLD Hunting and the 185 gr VLD Hunting. The 185 gr VLD grouped tighter than the 210 gr by quite a bit in his rifle. He knew the longest shot he would take is 350 yards so the 185 gr VLD was a good choice. He is happy with the short range performance of the Berger Hunting VLD.

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Re: Barnes's Tests Prove Why Berger Hunting VLDs Are So Successful By Eric Stecker

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Great article, However I have difficulty finding ballistic tests for the 30-06 it seems the new generation is into the short mags and smaller cals.

I have been very intrested in how the Berger VLD preforms in the videos I have seen. I'll be hunting elk this year on late hunt in Arizona. I'll be using my 30-06. I just began reloading after many years away from the hobby. What grain bullet do you recommend and any reloading and best powder recommendations and data for the Berger VLD would be helpful. Presently, I'm shooting 180 gr. Win. XP3 Supremes.

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Re: Barnes's Tests Prove Why Berger Hunting VLDs Are So Successful By Eric Stecker

Robert,

For the best response you can do two things. First, I recommend starting a new thread called "Good 30-06 loads?" where you can list your particulars and see what other hunters have found works best for them. As this particular thread gets longer fewer people will look at new posts so a new thread will get the most eyes.

The second thing you can do is once you have selected the bullet or bullets which you want to use or try (assuming they are Berger) send an email with your case and bullets to Walt Berger at bergerltd@aol.com. Walt will reply with a full spread of loading data.

In Mark's case he was not interested in trying several different loads. He knew his shot would not be a long one so if he could get good precision out of the few loads he tried that was good for him.

He was fortunate that the 185 gr VLD Hunting shot very well (1/2 MOA) right away. This is frequently the result but not always. Each rifle has its own unique set of components and can shoot differently than others that will use the same load.

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Eric
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