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Old 02-28-2011, 12:02 PM
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Re: 338 Norma Review By Ward W. Brien

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So, you're a riflemaker... And you built a blueprinted, custom 700,
with a modified reamer of your own design.
That's wonderful... Did you happen to see the group shot with
The Norma in the article about the Norma on this web site.
You have succeeded in bastardizing a great & proven
design, & reducing accuracy.

Didn't mean to upset you, you sure put me in my place, feel better now?
As I understand it Jimmie Sloan shortened a 338 Lapua case so that with a 300 gr. bullet it would fit in a unmodified Rem. 700 3.6" mag. box and what I did, and many others, was change the the shoulder angle so that maybe it would perform like the Rum case in a shorter version and I am sure that is what the intention of others who have done the same, be it 30, 35 or the proven 40 deg. Ackley shoulder, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't, but we try and testing proves it out. As far as accuracy goes testing will prove that and us, that want to, can put the results on a separate thread so as not to hijack your thread. Again, sorry for upsetting you.

Ken
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Old 02-28-2011, 12:09 PM
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Re: 338 Norma Review By Ward W. Brien

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So, you're a riflemaker... And you built a blueprinted, custom 700,
with a modified reamer of your own design.
That's wonderful... Did you happen to see the group shot with
The Norma in the article about the Norma on this web site.
You have succeeded in bastardizing a great & proven
design, & reducing accuracy.
Man Ward, chill out a little. If no one was trying new things we be stuck in a rut. Heck we might all be still shooting a black powder rifle. I'm not saying that this 35 degree shoulder on the Norma case is going to change the course of history, but it's different strokes for different folks. Heck, the 338 Lapua is proven, yet Jimmy Sloan wanted something better, so he made the Norma. Experimentation drives innovation and advances our industry. That's why we have all the cool stuff we do now, including the 338 Norma.
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Old 02-28-2011, 02:14 PM
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Re: 338 Norma Review By Ward W. Brien

Dear krlemas and bailey1474:

I apologize to you for coming across so harsh. I was answering your post from my android and just spat it out. So, please accept my apology as it was not my intention.

Let me tell you a story... When the 338 Norma was just coming online, I was extremely impressed with it's accuracy and smoothness. It's velocity at one mile was just above 1400 fps and it ft. lbs. of energy was close to matching that. I think 1300+... While calling wind for Richard McKinney, (Riflemaker who made my first 338 Norma), he shot about a 6" group at 1574 meters. Not on a range, but in a real world mountain environment. It shot better than the 338 Norma that I had shot prior to my build. I asked myself why? Later I found out that the other rifle-maker, when ordering a reamer from Mr. Keef at Pacific Tool and Gauge, took it upon himself to change the dimensions. It performed well, but not as well as the Sloan design.

Fast forward to about one year ago, and the reports for the .338 Norma from credible "Players" in the firearms industry began coming out. Some of that information is as follows,

The .338 Norma is THREE TIMES more accurate downrange than the .338 Lapua. This theoretically means that as mentioned above, with the .338 Norma shooting 6 inches at 1574 meters, that the Lapua would be presenting 18" groups.

Regarding the .338 Lapua; throat erosion occurred at 700 rounds. Barrel life of the .338 Norma is Three Times Longer.

That is only a portion of the .338 Norma's character.

So, if you like trying new things, Please let me know when you make it better.

My very best regards to you,

Ward
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Old 02-28-2011, 03:09 PM
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Re: 338 Norma Review By Ward W. Brien

No hard feelings here. I know it can be hard to interpret emotion from the typed word. I'll be the first to admit I probably wasted money trying to improve something that is already so good but only bullets in the air will tell us!! I will let you know.
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Re: 338 Norma Review By Ward W. Brien

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Dear krlemas and bailey1474:

I apologize to you for coming across so harsh. I was answering your post from my android and just spat it out. So, please accept my apology as it was not my intention.

Let me tell you a story... When the 338 Norma was just coming online, I was extremely impressed with it's accuracy and smoothness. It's velocity at one mile was just above 1400 fps and it ft. lbs. of energy was close to matching that. I think 1300+... While calling wind for Richard McKinney, (Riflemaker who made my first 338 Norma), he shot about a 6" group at 1574 meters. Not on a range, but in a real world mountain environment. It shot better than the 338 Norma that I had shot prior to my build. I asked myself why? Later I found out that the other rifle-maker, when ordering a reamer from Mr. Keef at Pacific Tool and Gauge, took it upon himself to change the dimensions. It performed well, but not as well as the Sloan design.

Fast forward to about one year ago, and the reports for the .338 Norma from credible "Players" in the firearms industry began coming out. Some of that information is as follows,

The .338 Norma is THREE TIMES more accurate downrange than the .338 Lapua. This theoretically means that as mentioned above, with the .338 Norma shooting 6 inches at 1574 meters, that the Lapua would be presenting 18" groups.

Regarding the .338 Lapua; throat erosion occurred at 700 rounds. Barrel life of the .338 Norma is Three Times Longer.

That is only a portion of the .338 Norma's character.

So, if you like trying new things, Please let me know when you make it better.

My very best regards to you,

Ward

No problem here, everything is give and take, increase velocity and down range energy lose barrel life, Increase shoulder angle increase feeding problems from magazine, it's all fun and life goes on.

Ken
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Old 02-28-2011, 04:11 PM
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Thank you Brother. If you get my way, please look me up.
We have a great streak place close by.

Cheers,

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Old 02-28-2011, 04:42 PM
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Re: 338 Norma Review By Ward W. Brien

Same offer here Ward, have a good day.

Ken
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