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Old 01-15-2012, 01:51 AM
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Re: Dall sheep or mountain goat - which is a better hunt?

A goat hunt is not harder than a sheep hunt, both can be challenging but I wouldn't claim either being harder than the other. I've been on Kodiak and gotten within 300 meters of a huge billy from below, try doing that with sheep. The goats I've chased have been on hillsides with vegetation, sheep have been on steep slopes with shale and loose rock. It really depends on where you go. To answer your question though, here in Alaska goats are in the southern part of the state and you'll also get a chance to see grizzly/brown bear, black bear, black-tailed deer. Sheep are typically a bit further north and you'll get a chance to see grizzly bear, black bear, caribou, moose, musk ox. Either hunt you need to be in good shape for, you'll be hunting at higher elevations than most people are used to.
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Old 01-15-2012, 07:24 PM
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Re: Dall sheep or mountain goat - which is a better hunt?

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AThe goats I've chased have been on hillsides with vegetation, sheep have been on steep slopes with shale and loose rock. It really depends on where you go.
And that is the key right there. Goats on Kodiak for the most part are a cake walk compared to goats in most other areas.
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Old 01-16-2012, 01:54 AM
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And that is the key right there. Goats on Kodiak for the most part are a cake walk compared to goats in most other areas.
That was the point I was trying to make. I wouldn't label one hunt harder than the other, it depends on where you are going to hunt. To say that all goat hunts are harder than all sheep hunts is not completely accurate. I think the OP was asking so he knew what kind of shape he needed to be in. Both hunts will require someone to be in good physical shape. If you are hunting goat in Alaska you are going to be in the southern part of the state which is warmer than hunting sheep in the Brooks Range where you will see it snowing in August. I've never hunted in BC or NWT so I can't speak for them, only Alaska.
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Re: Dall sheep or mountain goat - which is a better hunt?

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And that is the key right there. Goats on Kodiak for the most part are a cake walk compared to goats in most other areas.
I have to agree. Mountain Goats aren't native to Kodiak Island. Hunting goats on Kodiak Island isn't typical goat hunting, as in areas of North America where goats naturally established populations.

By and large, goat hunting in Alaska is likely to include fouler weather than sheep hunting in Alaska, because a lot of goat hunting is near the ocean front, and the southern coast typically has much, much more rainfall than interior Alaska.

It's possible to find a goat in easy terrain. Same with sheep. Depends primarily on the time of the year and prevailing snow conditions. And to some extent on the particular animal. But goats are more apt to be in more hazardous terrain than sheep - on average.

About 8 years ago, Fish & Game in Soldotna, AK received a call from a homeowner in Kasilof stating that he had a goat in his garage. I know the guy at Fish & Game that received the call, and he told me he asked the caller who the goat belonged to. The caller then said 'No, you don't understand. This is a white, wild Mountain Goat in my garage.' Now Kasilof is located on the flat lands, about 20-25 air miles from the nearest mountain range. So F&G drives out to the residence and sure enough they find, tranquilize, and collar a wild Alaskan Mountain Goat right in this guy's garage. They transport the goat by highway vehicle to the Kenai Mountains and release it at the junction of the Sterling Highway and the Seward Highway, next to Tern Lake. A legal and permitted goat hunter kills this collared goat at very low elevation, along the Seward Highway, about two days later. Calls F&G and tells them he killed a goat wearing a collar. Fish & Game tells him not to ear the meat due to the tranquilizer drug still present in the animal, but he gets a nice late fall goat hide out of the hunt.

Is that typical Mountain Goat behavior? The hunter that killed this goat probably thinks hunting Mountain Goats on Alaska's Kenai Peninsula is like shooting fish in a barrel.
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Old 02-20-2012, 01:07 AM
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Re: Dall sheep or mountain goat - which is a better hunt?

Sheep, they taste much better!
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Old 02-20-2012, 02:05 PM
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Re: Dall sheep or mountain goat - which is a better hunt?

Having hunted both for the better part of 35 years I can say that the hairest hunts I have ever been on were goat hunting in Kodiak and out of Cordova/Valdez.

Out of a dozen goat taken my wifes goat is the only one that did not have any horn damage at all.

I have walked up streams as that was the only way into certain areas that were ankle deep going in and crotch deep coming out.
Dry and warm going in and 6 inches of snow and a blinding blizzard caused us to choose straight off the side of the mountain so we could repelled using the alders. Pouring down rain gusting to 55mph when we got to camp. By the time we got to the boat I stood arm pit deep in the surf while my partner started the boat.

One day we went in over in Cordova, spent the night and went the rest of the way up the hill after goat we had spotted the evening before. Freezing rain hit and the clouds dropped ontp the ground. Who takes crampons goat hunting August 20th? It was incredibly dangerous getting off the mountain when we could see where to goat.

Three years ago a friend against my advise flew out for a 10 day hunt. 8.5 days he spent in the tent in heavy rain,ground fog and high winds. 12 different bear were seen up close and personal where he was hunting above Old Harbor.

ANother very good freind shot his goat while wearing slippery rain gear because it was raining hard. He walked up to the edge to see where the goat went. Told his young son to stay put as it was very steeep as dad went down to find his goat. Dad took a ride on the seat of his pants and went over a short cliff at who knows how fast. He handed in a deep mud slide up to both knees in mud. Looking at his 4th back surgery !

I like sheep hunting a lot, over goat hunting because I am usually in shorts and a t-shirt. Yes I have seen snow when I woke up in the morning and it got to 80 degrees during the day and it was gone. I have seen heavy rain once sheep hunting and drizzle a few times. It is Alaska so Alaska weather is what we get. Coast weather especially when you are along Prince William Sound or the Shelikoff is much less dependable than dry interior weather.

I took a guy 15 years my Junior goat hunting last fall. The first time he went on his own as I was busy. I showed him from the road through a spotting scope a very nice billy. I got a call later in the day that he did not make it to the billy and had run out of energy fighting the heavy (HEAVY) brush long before he got anywhere near the goat. He was flying back to Anchorage. I encouraged him to walk hours of stairs at the local hospital and come back in three weeks. He came back in three weeks and I broke trail clear to the top of the mountain. He made it to 500 yards of the goat and I thought I was going to have to beat feet off the mountain and call in a medivac. It is not just the steep! It is the heavy brush that grips your every step that can be the killer goat hunting. SHeep hunting I can usually find another way.

Tony Gettel went on his goat hunt last year I think ( Stock Maker) where he flew in late in the season on a glacier right near the animals. Tony shot his goat and where it ended up the guide refused to allow Tony to go and help retrieve the animal do to very dangerous conditions.

My wife says: SHeep hunting has lots of other fun stuff to do like picking berries,flowers see lots of other stuff and it seldom rains. Goat hunting is like poking ones self in the eye over and over again to see if it hurts or feels any different over time. In other words insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result!

Neal
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Old 02-20-2012, 11:50 PM
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Re: Dall sheep or mountain goat - which is a better hunt?

Montana has some easy goat areas where I could bag one with my bow, I have walked up on them many times, maybe blunted them when I was young. Tough part is a tag, same as sheep
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