I took 2 rifles, as I do on all travel hunts. 30.06 and latest 7RM. I have 2 loads that hit about the same to 400 yards. The 168 TTSX and 180 Nos AB. Both with Re19. The 7 shoots a 168 VLD over Retumbo over 3000 fps. No clue about the .06 speed. Happen to have the .06 on Wednesday morning, the 4th. Shot was just under 200 yards and the 180 AB was chambered. Put the bullet in the front shoulder and dumped him, but only briefly. He managed to stay a bit lively for awhile and a fatal shot was used at 3-4 yards even though shot #1 was fatal too. One tough bear. Got it on video but left that DVD at my dads house. Hopefully he will mail it to me so I can upload on youtube and post it as well.