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Old 10-05-2009, 03:07 AM
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Re: Black Bear self defense handgun/rifle

I just have an S&W X-frame in .460 magnum with the 5" ported barrel. Not a BEAST to shoot accurately, but the follow up shots are a bit slower than .44 magnums of comparable size I've fired. I also like the ability to use .454 casull and .45LC in it. When I go to VT, I carry it with 300gr HP's in .454 casull. Just a bit less recoil, allowing for slightly faster follow up shots.
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Old 10-06-2009, 11:39 PM
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Re: Black Bear self defense handgun/rifle

Know some avid bear guides. One from kodiak island and other from california that used dogs. CA are all black bears and kodiak are all very large brown bears.

This is based on the guides I have talked to.

CA black bear-
-44 mag is the favorite(perfect penetration/knockdown combo)
-the 357 mag is the second choice(penetrates the best but less knockdown).
But this guide prefers his client to use rifles so the 30-30 is the way to go. The 45-70 is overkill for black bear, really messes them up.

Kodiak bears-
Doesn't recommend handguns, he told me some scary stories on brown bears taken that already bullets in it hide (mostly 9mm).
375H&H works best for hunting in his 11+ year of experience with clients.
The 45-70 is the way to go for defense. He takes most of the trouble causing kodiak bears out with a 338 win mag at a distance cause they are huge.

Hope this helps, I'm sure whatever you end up with (shotgun, handgun, rifle), you will be well-protected.
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Old 10-07-2009, 04:04 AM
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Re: Black Bear self defense handgun/rifle

Great info, thanks. The pistol would be a backup, of course, but it looks like it will come down to shootability for me between 454 and 44 mag.
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Old 10-13-2009, 05:43 PM
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Re: Black Bear self defense handgun/rifle

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Great info, thanks. The pistol would be a backup, of course, but it looks like it will come down to shootability for me between 454 and 44 mag.
A lot of good suggestions and I will add mine.

If you are going for dangerous game I would recomend a rifle that is up to the task maby
even a little bigger because there is no such thing as over kill on dangerous game !!!

Then I would recomend a 44cal or bigger for self defense. When I say self defence I mean
when everything goes bad it will save your life.

I will not carry a semi auto anything because just when you need it, it fails or you forgot to chamber a round and you only have one hand free so you become lunch.

A short barreled revolver is what I recomend and carry because If for some unfortunate
a large predator has you down you can use it with either hand and if it misfires all you
have to do is pull the trigger again and you have a new round ready to save your life.

The reason for the short barrel is simple. quicker and easier to draw if you are pinned down,
can be placed in a vital area easy and you not going to be able to aim it anyway.

And you can stick it in his mouth if you have to and game over.

I'm not trying to scare you just get you to thinking about what the weapon is for and how easy
and dependable it will be in the worse case scenario

Once your mono e mono a rifle becomes almost impossible to use.

Anyway just food for though.

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Old 10-13-2009, 06:30 PM
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Re: Black Bear self defense handgun/rifle

Black bear medicine

Remington 870 12ga
Slug, 00buck, Slug

Back up Ruger Alaskan 454 casul
You can practice with 45 colt ammo and carry it with full house 454 loads
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Old 10-13-2009, 09:13 PM
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Re: Black Bear self defense handgun/rifle

Bear pepper spray works really good too.
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Old 10-14-2009, 07:11 PM
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Re: Black Bear self defense handgun/rifle

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Bear pepper spray works really good too.
I have never tried to use anything non lethal I guess because the the bear has lethal
thoughts and normally wants to dish out some real pain with extreme prejudice.

I have seen felons that all the pepper spray did was piss them off and I consider a bear
tougher than most felons , so I will pass on the pepper spray and continue to carry a Big
pistol that will level the playing field .

After several encounters while bow hunting (Not allowed to carry a firearm) and having
them want to share my tree I decided to start carrying a concealed firearm and take my
chances with the authority.

The last one forced me to shove an arrow down his throat when he not only climbed
the tree but wanted to share my tree stand. later when I talked to the game warden
he said there was a big silver back that had harassed other bow hunters that were
in His turf. I told the warden that I shoved the arrow way down his throat and that he
probably would not make it .After that I carried a snub nose 44 !!!!

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