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Unread 01-12-2010, 02:20 PM
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Re: Black Bear self defense handgun/rifle

The 30-30 and the 40 will suffice. i wouldnt feel under-gunned against a black bear with that combo. as long as you are practiced with them. Griz is a whole different ball of wax.
" jasonprox" has helped me out on AR questions. and if your looking for an excuse to go get a new toy for carying in the bushes, id look hard at what he has to say. JMO
As far as hand guns go,44 mag in a Ruger blackhawk is my personal favorite. you can load the snott out of a blackhawk. its quite a bit bigger than your 40, and a long time ago i dated a gal about 5'-4'' and 120lb, that could shoot the head off a tweety at 10 paces with my old 44 mag. (that will shrink your manhood a bit), but she handled it with ease. SCARRY HUH! We parted on good terms.haha
that being said, my carry gun while hunting down here in the lower 48 is my XD 40. I hunt bear quite a bit, and im happy with it for ease of cary/concealment, and uuh-oh situations.
bigger is probably better for uuh-oh situations, but ill stick w/my 40 XD. Again, JMO
General Rule of thumb is, use what youd use for deer, or maybe a bit bigger.
Good luck wiyh your choice! Hard to go wrong with all the knowledgable advise from lots of guys on here. And youve recieved lots of it. All pretty good too.Comes down to your personal preferance and comfort i guess.
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Unread 03-26-2010, 09:58 AM
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Re: Black Bear self defense handgun/rifle

Latest update on my buddies Rem 700 LSS in 375RUM he has been in contact with Barnes since he first heard that they had supplied a propriety .375" cal 350gr TSX to a company over a year ago asking when they were going to release the bullet to the general public.

He received an email from Ty Herring @ Barnes a couple month's ago stating that the bullets were now available and that Ty would forward reloading data as soon as it was available.

He ordered the bullets which arrived a couple weeks ago and he received the data a week or so before that.

Due to the rifle only being 21" he choose to use RL17 which gives the same velocities in this short barrel as IMR4350 does in a longer 26" barrel.

With one load using the XS ghost ring sights he put 3 shots from a bench rest into a super tight cloverleaf group @ 50 yards it was 4" low which will be easy to adjust for and these were just the first loads he tried...

He now feels that he has the ultimate do everything hunting/defense rifle combo so stay tuned for another video of him shooting the 375RUM...

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Unread 03-26-2010, 10:15 AM
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Re: Black Bear self defense handgun/rifle

I picked up a S&W 329pd in 44 Mag last week. It's pretty nice. Very lightweight for everyday packing and accurate. It has a sharp kick, but I didn't buy it for plinking, so I like it.
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Unread 03-26-2010, 05:40 PM
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Congratulations on the 329pd. Enjoy.
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Unread 03-29-2010, 10:13 PM
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Re: Black Bear self defense handgun/rifle

I've been a black bear guide for 20 years or so.
99% of the time they quietly avoid contact with people.
Very few things will tighten the old sphincter quite as fast as standing a few feet from one of those critters that is NOT wary of you.
Several close encounters come to mind...

I quickly learned to carry a short barrel 12 gauge back on forth to my baits.
I also slap the trees along "our" trails with a stick to let them know I'm coming.
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Unread 04-04-2010, 11:56 PM
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Re: Black Bear self defense handgun/rifle

41mag should be fine for black bear i use a 5.5in 44mag sbh with hogue girp the grip helped alot no on mini or anyother 223 even 7.62 handguns are best for defense just have it easy accessable and no how to draw quickly and shoot accurately i have want 460sm for a while its a very versitle hand gun 45lc 454cl and the 460sm if had to buy another other than the 460 it would 44mag redhawk
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Unread 04-05-2010, 08:52 PM
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Re: Black Bear self defense handgun/rifle

Originally Posted by Outerspace View Post
Hi folks, I live in Western Washington, land of rain and trees and black bears in some places.

Where I live there are a lot of bears. Not good hunting, it is very dense brush and you have to get out of town quite a way in order to not ruffle someone's feathers.

I live out in the woods away and we have bear trouble from time to time. Whenever I hike I carry a Marlin 30-30, which I have read is supposed to be good.

However, I would like to have more than that in case of attack, and would be willing to carry a sidearm.

1) What are some good handguns? I have a .40, but what about 357 sig, 357 mag, 41 mag, etc. I assume 44 mag kicks to hard for multiple shot accuracy

2) What about the mini 14? Any reason to consider that in place of the 30-30?

We are talking black bears here. Still potentially dangerous but considerablly less threat than a Grizzly. Also assuming just hiking and playing around in the woods but not hunting then carrying a long arm is probably not really handy. To much chance to get separated from it when you feel less threatened and then end up not having it handy when you really need it. Forget about a 223; too light caliber and it's still a rifle. That leaves us with something you don't mind wearing 100% of the time you are in a vulnerable place.

If I had a 4" 357 loaded with 158 SWC at 1250 fps or better it will work for black bears. Certainly the bigger caliber revolvers will work better and I like anything 41 mag and up. If I was buying new and wanted the ultimate it would be a S&W 500 in one of the shorter versions. Lot's of dry fire practice will leave you pretty proficient. Shooting full power loads for practice are not advised by me as I think they will cause all but the most experienced pistolero to flinch and develop very bad habits. Even light loads for a 500 S&W will be plenty for stopping the most determined black bear. Full power loads will knock them hard.

If you have a good reliable 40S&W I would consider 180 or 200 grain XTP's or ball loaded as hot as you can handle them would work better than nothing. Usually black bears are going to avoid you and most will pretty much leave at all costs if you open fire. I live a little ways south of you in Oregon and we have lots of bears. I retired my 5" 629 Classic in favor of a Glock Model 20 in 10mm loaded with 180 or 200 grain XTP's. I get 1325 out of the 180's and they penetrate deep causing a lot of destruction plus I have 15 of them on hand with out reloading. I traded a bit of power for a bunch of capacity. This is kind of what I'm hearing you looking for in your request. The 10mm is equal to or slightly surpases a 357 mag for power. It will be important to get some holster that will be comfortable to wear all day long and not interfere with the activities you want to do while you are out. You also need to be able to draw one handed pretty quck and from most positions.

I also like the idea of a Glock for self defense for a lot of reasons like, it has no external safety's to worry about. It is a point and shoot proposition. The are very tollerant of poor weather and very easy to clean. They will still work if very dirty or very cold. They are very light so easier to carry all day long. There is some guy on here that goes by Carlock who seems to know a bit about firearms. I believe I read somewhere he carries a Glock 20 while hunting and getting around in the woods. Now you know two people on LRH that carry a 10mm.
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