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Old 12-24-2009, 10:31 AM
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Re: Black Bear self defense handgun/rifle

JECustom's is right on the mark. I'd only reiterate what I posted earlier and that is to practice and become proficient at unholstering quickly. Again JECustom's advice doesn't get any better.
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Old 12-24-2009, 11:14 AM
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Re: Black Bear self defense handgun/rifle

Bear hunting dogs are used a lot for black bears but it is illegal in Alaska(what i was told but didn't check into it) and always thought it was because of the brown bears.
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Old 12-24-2009, 11:56 AM
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Re: Black Bear self defense handgun/rifle

I have been around black bears all my life, and I have treed probably 2 dozen, just me, no dog. I usually run small bears of the road, hoping they will get to be big bears. Treed many doing this, also just tried to pass bears in timber and had them tree. Most blacks are timid, or it is just the natural thing to tree. A friend that I worked with was out bow hunting and they suprizd a bear, it treed , they shot it . at the time it was state record and only BOONE bear in MT, ABOUT 15 YRS.AGO
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Old 12-24-2009, 04:54 PM
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Re: Black Bear self defense handgun/rifle

A pump will come back on target after recoil when you cycle the action. A 7600 or 7400 carbine in 30.06 is a great thing. I have been hunting with this (760) for along time. Dad had the 742 When you cycle the action you pull it right down from the muzzle rise. This will get you back to the target faster with an AIMED second shot. The auto will cause more times than not an over the top second shot with the short 18.5 inch barrels.
A handgun will always be on your person. You won't lean it up against a tree to perform a bodily function. That is the single biggest factor imho. I ran bears with hounds for some years. I used either a 30-30,35 rem or the 760 in 30.06. At close range the 30.06 is best. For your application though a 12ga is better. If you choose a 12 guage I would load a 3 or 31/2" turkey load of 4's in the chamber. then 1 buckshot with slugs for the rest of the magazine. The turkey load will have the stopping power being 2-21/2 oz of lead at charging distance. This will give you the time for a second shot. I have been run over by a bear and it taught me something. That is why I now use the 12ga loaded as such when we run bears.
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Old 01-12-2010, 04:02 AM
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Re: Black Bear self defense handgun/rifle

This is a friend of mine for years he carried a Rem 870 14" or 18.5" barreled 12 gauge that is until he first saw a Marlin 1895GS in 45-70 that he had to have he loads from 300gr to 550gr bullets for it.

Here he is shooting it @ a 25 yard target he does a lot of solo prospecting in remote wilderness areas of northern British Columbia, Canada and he always had his Chesapeake Bay Retriever with him until this fall when he had to put her down but he has a new chessy pup now that will be with him when he heads out in the spring.

YouTube - Speed Shooting Marlin 1895GS 45-70 1

YouTube - Speed shooting Marlin 1895GS 45-70 2

His handgun of choice after spending years going thru trial and error looking for the ultimate handgun for bear defense is a Ruger Super Redhawk in 454 Casull shortened to 4.25" he installed a Crimson Trace laser grip.

When he is in black bear country he loads the handgun with 45 Colt 300gr XTP's or if he is loaded with 454 Casull loads he loads 240gr or 300gr XTP-Mag's.

He tells me when he is in grizzly country he doesn't mess around and loads his 454 Casull Beartooth 405gr WLNGC's @ 1330fps and he feels a handgun that is bigger is just to bothersome/cumbersome to pack all day and stated that the SRH/454 Casull is the best all round wilderness defense handgun he has ever found.

Here is a video of him playing around with 45 Colt 300gr loads and then 454 Casull 300gr loads.

YouTube - SRH 45Colt/454 Casull

He tells me that he has moved on in his choice of rifles after going in after an appr 1000lbs grizzly with the 45-70 he has decided that he wanted more of a all round cartridge/rifle combo so he shortened a Rem 700 LSS in 375RUM to 21" and did a few other mod's he is getting with RL17 powder 3030fps with 260gr Accubonds and 2740fps with 300gr Gamekings/Partitions/A-Frames.

These are not top loads but he tells me any more recoil would slow down his second shot to much if he needed one.

The rifle is set up with Leupold QRW rings and bases a VX3 4.5-14X40mm B&C scope and when he pops the scope off he mounts an XS Sights Tall Weaver backup ghost ring sight for his rear sight the front sight is a NECG Masterpiece banded front ramp and a partridge front post.

He has the 300gr loads sighted in dead on @ 50 yards when the ghost ring sight is on and the rifle is so accurate and the velocities where higher than he thought he would get from such a short barrel that he mounted a 4.5-14X40 B&C scope instead of the VX3 2.5-8X36mm B&C scope he originally bought for this rifle

Here is a picture of the rifle...





This is a picture of the SRH.



The Marlin he is shooting in the video's and a Puma M92 in 454 Casull



His Rem 870 12 gauge shotguns the scope is a Burris 1X EER shotgun reticle



He also carried 45 Colt Ruger Bisley Vaquero's for a while before he moved up to the SRH's.

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Old 01-12-2010, 04:37 AM
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Re: Black Bear self defense handgun/rifle

Nice guns. Great pics and writeup. Thanks for sharing.
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Old 01-12-2010, 10:25 AM
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Re: Black Bear self defense handgun/rifle

This one is not the norm, but...

.458 SOCOM in a AR15. The .458 about duplicates the .45-70 with 300 grain bullets. All of this in a compact, easy to handle, auto-loader. I think one of these with a collapsible stock and 16" barrel would be ideal for the close in stuff. You can put lead down range as fast as you can pull the trigger, couple that with a high capacity mag, and a bear would not stand a chance.
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