Aim the lung is my modo. Just whant to know if more experience hunter have a other preference. Y will be hunting black bear on bait with a 444mar(265gr interlock)of a friend or my 270win(150gr partition) depending of my feeling of the day!!!
Feenix, thats a very good anatomical picture of a black bear. The best shot on any bear is through the shoulder. Either gun will work fine on black bear,
especially if you are hunting a bait. The 444 is a good short range choice but
they fall off fast on longer shots.
I have killed one bear so I am no expert, but I was very much into shot placement before the hunt, so as I wouldn't screw my one chance.
I concluded that the very best broadside aim point was straight up from the center of the front leg. And exactly midway between top and bottom.
I wouldn't aim specifically for the shoulder, a miss a little high or forward, and the bear is lost. As Fenix said heart lung, gives you a little room for error. If you look at the anatomy pic in Fenix post, it's a pretty simple answer.
The bear I did shoot was quartering slightly away, but thats hard to notice on a black animal, my bullet went straight above the leg on the in side and broke the shoulder on the out right at the point where the scapula conects to the upper leg bone. went about 5 yards. 280, 140 Nos AB
I had a buddy shoot one with a 444 in the shoulder(bone), dropped him for about 15 seconds, then he ran off for good. Most guys in WI who lose bears break a shoulder but hit no vitals. The bears usually run off about the time there high fiving there buddy.
Cowboy, I'm talking centered on the shoulder, not trying to hit the little shoulder bone that sets to the front of the shoulder. If you're aiming center shoulder you have the heart and lungs very close together as well as the possibility of breaking either shoulder if you are off a bit. Most of the time, unless they are lieing down, a bear is moving. You usually do not have a lot of time for benchrest accuracy and to precisely place a shot. If you did and was capable of it then a shot in the neck near the atlas joint would produce an
instant kill. This is not a realistic goal the vast majority of the time. Under
real life conditions a centered shoulder shot is reccomended by most bear
I have taken or assisted in the taking of over 400 black bear and around 125
brown/grizzly bear over the years. Sometimes a black bear will fall to a 30-30, a 243 or some such, making them seem easily killed. Other times I have seen them be unbelievably hard to put down. On one I found a piece of the bears lung lieing on a log where he was first hit with a 7mm RM. We trailed that bear for 6 hours and never saw him agian. I suspect he was hit to far back and just clipped the tip of the lung, but will never know.
As I said earlier the 444 marlin is an acceptable gun at close range but I would not reccomend it at even 100 yards as being a good black bear gun. The big
slow bullets pack a lot of knock-down power but lack the penetration needed
to punch through a good sized bear. You get up into the 300 lb range or larger and you should have a faster bullet. I'd rather see something like the
7MM RM or 300 WM on the bigger black bears.
Another thing, when a bear goes down, quickly reload and get the scope back on him and watch him. No high-fiving and celebrating until you know positive he is dead. Cover him and wait and watch. If he starts to get up, or is moving like he still has a lot of life left, shoot again.
A good bullet with a spire point that will mushroom well and still retain good
bullet weight is the best to use. I do not like partition bullets because you are
sure to lose the front portion immediately on impact, which greatly reduces bullet weight which greatly reduces penetration. Hollow points are not good
either as they will desenigrate to easily. A plain old core-lok spire point bullet
in 160 to 180 grain will perform well on black bear.
Akbushape, By no means am I cutting on your expertise, after rereading both post It sounds like we are talking about nearly identicle points of aim. The only difference is when I say shoulder I am refering to the scapula or upper leg bone. When you said shoulder I think your refering to the general area of shoulder structure. I understand that my bullet will go through the shoulders muscle structure, My preference is to avoid the bone so I have two holes to track a bear which will be at the end of a short blood trail. No offense.