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Old 05-31-2014, 03:34 PM
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There is a lot to be said about larger calibers. Size does matter more than speed. A great comparison between the 30-30 and the 35 Remington. Both on paper on ballistic charts only vary a little but the extra caliber makes a big difference in punch. Just like the 338 verses the 35 whelen. I think the extra caliber of the 35 whelen makes it shine. Going to the 375 Ruger is a large jump. Find a rifle that fits you and feels good.
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Old 05-31-2014, 05:18 PM
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I like mono metal bullets. But I don't have anything against lead bullets.
Ever used the Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullet on large bear? Either Jack Carter's original, or any of the later version manufactured by Speer?
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Old 05-31-2014, 07:32 PM
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No, I don't think so. But that's only because I didn't bump into any bears I figured I needed to kill when they were in the rifle. . I really like the Bear Claws!!!! The last 375 H+H that I had they were my all time favorite bullet and load. Factory Federal High Energy 300 gr. They chronographed 2700 out of that 23" Montana barrel. They had a very low extreme spread velocity wise and shot as small a group as I could shoot that rifle. Stainless Montana action. Ramline stock Leupold fixed 3x scope. Made the single longest game shot of my life on purpose with that combo. Hit within 5" of where I called the shot. . It was in excess of 500 yards so not a true long range shot! I wanted to dump a bear with that combo up close but I think the bears knew that as they stayed pretty scarce when I had it with me.
It was a pretty good meat load on deer tho. Almost no blood shock!!! I shot several Sitka Blacktails with it and the biggest exit hole was about 2".
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Old 05-31-2014, 07:50 PM
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I really like the Bear Claws!!!! The last 375 H+H that I had they were my all time favorite bullet and load. Factory Federal High Energy 300 gr. They chronographed 2700 out of that 23" Montana barrel. They had a very low extreme spread velocity wise and shot as small a group as I could shoot that rifle. Stainless Montana action. I wanted to dump a bear with that combo up close but I think the bears knew that as they stayed pretty scarce when I had it with me.
I wish the bullets were still available for handloaders. Speer stopped marketing them as a reloading component a few years ago, but they're still available loaded in Factory ammo.

I shot one 10 1/2 foot brown bear on Kodiak from about 130 yds. 225gr TBBC from a .338 Imperial Magnum. Broadside shot to the middle of the ribs. That bear dropped as if struck by lightning. Instant lights out. I waited a good 15 minutes before I began to approach, because I didn't believe the boar could expire like that from a shot to the ribs. He was indeed dead. He never flopped, tossed, turned, or twitched.

I shot a 9' 3" boar on Kodiak with the same bullet. This bear was wounded with the adrenaline pumping. Same bullet placement. The boar collapsed and never regained all fours.

Gotta say after those two experiences, I have a lotta confidence in the TBBC in .338 caliber. Those were the original Jack Carter TBBCs, before he sold out. Never shot anything else with them in that caliber or any other caliber. However my brother owns a gun shop and I knew he had carried those bullets as he had some customers that were devote TBBC fans. So I asked if he had any left and sure enough, he did have a few boxes in a variety of calibers, however none left in .338. So I just recently acquired and loaded up some 200gr TBBC for my .300 Win Mag for bear/camp defense loads. I expect them to be reliable performers, and deadly, in my .300 Win Mag also.
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Old 05-31-2014, 09:14 PM
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That 338 Imperial is kinda like a 338 RUM isn't it. As I remember they were based on the 404 case. . Wonder what ever became of that company. ?? Seems it would make a great long range rifle also.
It would be great if this thread could be a sticky on brown bear hunting!! It has a ton of the right info on the subject from some very experienced people.
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Old 05-31-2014, 10:57 PM
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That 338 Imperial is kinda like a 338 RUM isn't it. As I remember they were based on the 404 case. Wonder what ever became of that company?? Seems it would make a great long range rifle also.
Yes. It's between the .338 RUM and the .338 Edge, but closer to the Edge than the RUM. It is based off the 404 Jeffery. The shoulder on the .338 Edge is about .020" longer than the shoulder on the .338 Imp Mag. Other than than, they're identical. My .338 Imp Mag is now a .338 Edge. Kirby Allen set the barrel back 5/8" and chambered it to the Edge a few years back - before he was as busy as he now is.
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Old 08-09-2014, 09:10 PM
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Can't agree more about making sure they are dead. I tell the clients to shoot till they drop than put one more in them for safe measure. After a point blank experience I don't take any chances. I am having a 416-375 RUM built on a montana 1999 for guiding hoping to push 400 grain a-frames at 2800 it will be wearing a 1-4 nightforce. When it comes down to brown bears there is no such thing as over kill. My 350 rem mag has been a stellar performer with the discontinued 250 grain Barnes, but every time I walk up to a big bear I tell myself I need a bigger gun.

Reuben
May I enquire where you get the load data to push 400gr pills to 2800fps in the 416 Ruger?
I have a 416 Rigby, it can push 410gr pills to a little over 2700fps when 416 Weatherby load data is used in it, but I wouldn't recommend doing this often, as brass life is seriously reduced.

To the OP, the 338 is ample for bear when the correct bullets are used, I have shot buffalo with 250gr Nosler Partitions and 250gr Woodleigh PP's, if those 2 bullets can take down buffalo, they will certainly take down a brown bear when placed correctly.

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