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Old 08-22-2013, 04:22 AM
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Re: Are wolves really the problem

I know what happens when I cross paths with a predator. Enough said!
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Old 08-22-2013, 08:38 AM
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the killing of the 176 by 2 wolves is bs, not possible for 2 wolves to kill that many sheep and pile them up. they may have spooked them and they ran off that cliff where the pictures shows them dead.
I guess you would have to see for yourself the way cattle and sheep react to a pack of wolves passing through to understand that indeed the wolves did kill the sheep. And I am sure the pack was more than 2. It was just a few years ago that the wolves killed 121 sheep in one night down by Dillon MT. I have seen first hand how cattle run through fences, stop at nothing and huddle in bunches when wolves pass through and chase them. So if the wolves run them through the fence or off a cliff and the animal dies, did the wolves not kill them?

You sound more like you have a problem with the native Americans than wolves. I do not. I have never seen a native American kill anything and leave it to rot. The ones I know would use every bit of it and I think you are misinformed.

Just my opinion.

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Old 08-22-2013, 09:20 AM
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the killing of the 176 by 2 wolves is bs, not possible for 2 wolves to kill that many sheep and pile them up. they may have spooked them and they ran off that cliff where the pictures shows them dead.
Im sure wolves kill their share but it is also the poachers/native americans killing trophy bulls as well as the spikes before they can bread that are doing in the population. without a mature population to bread you will have less calves in the future. just like the guys that go crabbing in wa. they take the crabs that are not legal as females that they are not suppose to catch and they over fish/crab areas. with poaching on the rise as well as NA tribs going out and killing bulls for ritual purposes hurts the over all numbers since gf cannot track that. If you want the herds to improve need to do something about the poachers. if you break the law once you will break it again. if poachers lost everything, trucks, guns, atv's, campers you name it then it might stop. the youtube vids where gf set up the fake deer and elk shows just how worthless the fines are. NA tribes in wa, nm are right next to the national forests and they chase the big game onto the reservations.
Did you read the article on the Northern Yellowstone Elk Herd that I linked in post #8? A large portion of the herd's range is in Yellowstone National Park. There is no poaching there other than maybe a handful animals and there are no Indian reservations near it. There is no more poaching going on now than before the wolves.

And just how do you "chase" wild animals like elk from one place to another over wild and rough terrain? Elk go where they want to go and there's no chasing them anywhere.
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I'll chime in and agree with both of the last two posts. Looking more like you have a problem with the Native American community then with wolves. The proof is out there of wolf predatation. You may just have to look beyond your nose.
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And just how do you "chase" wild animals like elk from one place to another over wild and rough terrain? Elk go where they want to go and there's no chasing them anywhere.

LOL, that is as true of a statement as could be made. But if you anyone would like to demonstrate the technique of elk chasing by ground, to a given place I would love to watch.



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LOL, that is as true of a statement as could be made. But if you anyone would like to demonstrate the technique of elk chasing by ground, to a given place I would love to watch.



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That would make a good Youtube video wouldn't it ...
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Old 08-22-2013, 12:38 PM
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a helicopter was used as well as horses which i have been told by multiple ranchers they have moved elk like cattle, and killing the animal and leaving it or killing it and using every part of it, the animal(elk) is still dead. It was posted in this forum a bit ago about an elk was butchered for some ritual when it would have been a great breeding bull elk. like oldmossy said, just start killing the wolves then and the elk population will take off again. there is poaching everywhere. dudes such as Don Lewis made videos of hunting elk in yellowstone. killed as many as 13 bulls which would do some damage to any herd. 21-year-old Travis Mark Johnson and 25-year-old Vincent Giovanni Ripoli of Bozeman, Michael David Belderrain, Stephen Slavinsky who was already in trouble for poaching a first time in yellowstone. there are two other stories of bull elk carcasses being found and no one being caught. If you don't think that poaching has anything to do with the decline of the elk population think again. im sure the wolves play a part as well. I want to shoot a few wolves myself as well as mountain lions and bears. What kind of food to animal ratio is there in yellowstone in the winter? I would like some video of wolves moving though and taking out an entire herd of sheep, cattle, elk whatever before i will believe that it is just the wolves. with G&F this stupid mismanagement of elk and not being able to have the habitat to support the growth of the herd will play a part. just like the quail and pheasant pops in the mid west. weather and habitat play a huge part in why they both are low unlike back in the day.
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