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Old 04-23-2013, 11:37 AM
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It's possible for an elk to go a pretty good distance when hit in the chest (heart/lungs). Not so with a good bullet that breaks the front shoulders.
OK, thanks for clearing that up.
As I said, I'm new to hunting & firearms so I don't have any experience to draw upon. Now, if 'breaking bone' is important. Does that mean the caliber used is just as important if shooting for the shoulder ?

As I said in my INTRO, my friends are helping me get started in hunting.
They all hunt Mule, Whitetail, Elk, Moose, Bear, Mountain Goat, Mountain Lion and they have suggested I buy a Savage 116FHSAK in .270 caliber.

Using a .270 cal., would you advise me to take a shoulder shot?
Or is that caliber not useful for what you propose?

BTW, my friend who is a Professional guide has said that Montana is going to open up a hunting season for Grizzly Bears in 2014. Just in case anyone is interested.
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Old 04-23-2013, 11:41 AM
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Re: Why I don't shoulder shoot elk!

NO creature on earth can survive what is called a sucking chest wound, so if you make a hole north of the diaphragm in the chest cavity those lungs are going to collapse very rapidly there are no two ways about it, that animal isnt going very far. And if you have a bullet that can make 2 holes (1 in and one out) you now have 2 sucking chest wounds. So if shooting them behind the shoulder is your cup of tea about any bullet will work, but if you are an imperfect human and think there is a possibility you might hit them in the shoulders you better be packing a bullet that will break them both so you can put it down right there...broken shoulders and spines are hard to recover from too. My advice- if you are shooting elk use a bullet that is going to get the job done under any circumstance, not one that requires selective shot angles
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Old 04-23-2013, 11:45 AM
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OK, thanks for clearing that up.
As I said, I'm new to hunting & firearms so I don't have any experience to draw upon. Now, if 'breaking bone' is important. Does that mean the caliber used is just as important if shooting for the shoulder ?

As I said in my INTRO, my friends are helping me get started in hunting.
They all hunt Mule, Whitetail, Elk, Moose, Bear, Mountain Goat, Mountain Lion and they have suggested I buy a Savage 116FHSAK in .270 caliber.

Using a .270 cal., would you advise me to take a shoulder shot?
Or is that caliber not useful for what you propose?

BTW, my friend who is a Professional guide has said that Montana is going to open up a hunting season for Grizzly Bears in 2014. Just in case anyone is interested.

if you are hunting elk id use 30 caliber minimum, i like the 338's
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Old 04-23-2013, 11:48 AM
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Re: Why I don't shoulder shoot elk!

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NO creature on earth can survive what is called a sucking chest wound, so if you make a hole north of the diaphragm in the chest cavity those lungs are going to collapse very rapidly there are no two ways about it, that animal isn't going very far. And if you have a bullet that can make 2 holes (1 in and one out) you now have 2 sucking chest wounds. So if shooting them behind the shoulder is your cup of tea about any bullet will work, but if you are an imperfect human and think there is a possibility you might hit them in the shoulders you better be packing a bullet that will break them both so you can put it down right there...broken shoulders and spines are hard to recover from too. My advice- if you are shooting elk use a bullet that is going to get the job done under any circumstance, not one that requires selective shot angles
I'm just starting out and probably won't be hunting Elk in the near future, although I may join my friends when they do, if possible. This Savage 116FHSAK .270 will be my first firearm.
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Old 04-23-2013, 11:54 AM
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you really cant have too much gun, the 300's are great for everything you listed and they fly flatter than the 270 will with a decent sized bullet. do some searches on here before you make up your mind. these guys wont lead you astray in caliber selection... but out here in the west the 270 is a little small for a "do all" in my opinion
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you really cant have too much gun, the 300's are great for everything you listed and they fly flatter than the 270 will with a decent sized bullet. do some searches on here before you make up your mind. these guys wont lead you astray in caliber selection... but out here in the west the 270 is a little small for a "do all" in my opinion
Well, there is one consideration I should make you aware of. I have been Perm. Disabled since 1996. I have Degenerative Bone disease and my friend suggested that particular rifle saying the recoil would be such that it wouldn't be too much for my body to handle yet, the rifle can be used for hunting Deer.
It would be nice if I were also able to hunt other animals with the same rifle but, I'm afraid of having too much gun where the recoil might dislocate my shoulder. Perhaps if I were in good health, the caliber wouldn't make a difference. And to be truthful, I may never be able to hunt larger game like Elk, Moose, etc... due to this limitation.
It would be nice if I were able to join the "BIG GAME" club.
Actually, I can drive about 10 miles and watch a herd of Elk numbering around 100. And that is just one spot out of many around here. I can drive about 3 miles and watch a herd of antelope, about 30 miles to see herds of Mountain goats.
Even had a Mountain Lion right behind my apartment last month, chasing that herd of antelope through town !
So, with all this game around I guess I might just be dreaming of being able to actually hunt them.
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Old 04-23-2013, 12:32 PM
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Re: Why I don't shoulder shoot elk!

There are ways around that too. A muzzle brake willake a 300 feel like a 243. But is all about what you are comfortable with.
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