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Old 12-06-2011, 06:23 PM
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Re: Why I don't shoulder shoot elk!

Pretty sure This is an open forum so my opinion is just as welcome as yours. I am 99% sure I have killed more coyotes than you and 100% sure I have killed more elk than you so I believe I know what it takes to kill both.
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Old 12-06-2011, 06:31 PM
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Re: Why I don't shoulder shoot elk!

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So why would you shoot at small running coyotes, but not at a larger elk? Both are living, breathing creatures that deserve to be shot properly with as close to 100% certainty that the shot will lead to an immediate, humane death IMHO! Is it because an elk is a regal, majestic animal and a coyote is just a varmint in your mind? I was enjoying your analysis of the situation until you ended your post the way you did!!!
Would this refer to ground squirrels and rock chucks as well. If so I am in real trouble! I have never waited for a broadside shot on a prairie dog! And shooting them on the run is a real riot!

Coyotes ARE varmints right? So they have different rules and laws pertaining to how they can be dispatched. Coyotes are tough but in a completely different way than elk. They seldom suck up multiple bullets from magnum rounds.

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Old 12-06-2011, 07:17 PM
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Re: Why I don't shoulder shoot elk!

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So why would you shoot at small running coyotes, but not at a larger elk? Both are living, breathing creatures that deserve to be shot properly with as close to 100% certainty that the shot will lead to an immediate, humane death IMHO! Is it because an elk is a regal, majestic animal and a coyote is just a varmint in your mind? I was enjoying your analysis of the situation until you ended your post the way you did!!!
SHOT AT.....SHOT AT.....SHOT AT.....that's what I wrote...."SHOT AT". Never said I actually hit one, and never said at what point in my life I did so. I would agree with you that ANY animal deserves as instant of a death as possible. YES. Do I think I was a moron for shooting at a running animal that I had a low probability of hitting on the first shot....YES, ABSOLUTELY. There is no other way to learn a lesson about how far you can shoot behind a running animal without actually shooting at a running animal. Do you disagree with me about how difficult it would be to double shoulder, much less neck shoot a bull elk running or tumbling down a hill at a distance of 350 yards? Especially when the point of the OP was to illustrate WHY you shouldn't shoulder shoot an elk, because the target was so small?

I think we've all done things that we aren't proud of. Would you eat a coyote?? My guess is no. Would you shoot one if given the opportunity?? My guess for 9 out of 10 guys is yes. So that in itself shows a societal dis-regard in itself towards creatures like coyotes compared to elk. My guess is if it were the LAW to eat every coyote you killed (like deer, antelope, and elk) that fewer of them would be shot and the country would be over-run with them, but thats a whole other thread.

I will agree with Tikkamike on the difference between the two targets. You have an animal with thin brittle bones, very thin hide, and weighing all of about 35 pounds compared to something that has heavy thick hide, thick massive bones, and a weight of 250 pounds to over 1,000 pounds. Where is the similarity??? You can hit a coyote virtually anywhere with any modern varmint gun and round killing it instantly....try using the same gun on elk, and you have a disaster on your hands. "Two different animals" as they say.

There's so much more that could go wrong with a big bodied, heavily constructed animal like an elk despite the size difference, especially when the person behind the rifle isn't paying attention. Lets face it, the reason that *MOST* big game animals end up crippled or lost is because the human made an error in judgement of bullet selection for the critter and distance, adequate caliber choice for the circumstance, and the #1 is knowing when or when not to shoot. NOT shooting is one hell of a lot better than crippling or losing an animal regardless of where you like to place the shot IMO.

Hopefully this answers some questions for you. Hopefully now it is apparent that the way I ended my last post was purposeful.
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Old 12-06-2011, 08:23 PM
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Re: Why I don't shoulder shoot elk!

TikkaMike---You don't know me from a can of paint, so how can you say you're 99% sure that you've shot a lot more coyotes and elk than I have, LOL! You can sure come up with some good ones! One thing I can guarantee that you've done more of than I have and that is illegally shoot at an animal from a roadway! You stated in a post earlier this year that you do it all the time in Wyoming and it's definitely illegal to shot at anything unless you're outside the fenceline or the barrow pit of the roadway. It's right in the Wyoming laws and I've never broken that law, so if you violate that one and brag about it I wonder what else you do illegally---just sayin because all I can do is go by what you say on the Forums and not guess about you like you're doing me!!! PS: I've shot enough different animals since I started hunting in 1953 that I quit counting decades ago because numbers don't mean squat!!! It's the getting out in the outdoors that's the biggy for me and anything I kill and consume is a bonus.
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TikkaMike---You don't know me from a can of paint, so how can you say you're 99% sure that you've shot a lot more coyotes and elk than I have, LOL! You can sure come up with some good ones! One thing I can guarantee that you've done more of than I have and that is illegally shoot at an animal from a roadway! You stated in a post earlier this year that you do it all the time in Wyoming and it's definitely illegal to shot at anything unless you're outside the fenceline or the barrow pit of the roadway. It's right in the Wyoming laws and I've never broken that law, so if you violate that one and brag about it I wonder what else you do illegally---just sayin because all I can do is go by what you say on the Forums and not guess about you like you're doing me!!! PS: I've shot enough different animals since I started hunting in 1953 that I quit counting decades ago because numbers don't mean squat!!! It's the getting out in the outdoors that's the biggy for me and anything I kill and consume is a bonus.
Well your always spouting off like you know so much about hunting (in Wyoming specifically ) but your from back east Michigan or something and really don't know much about This place. As far as shooting coyotes from the highway. Yeah its illegal bit you would he hard pressed to find someone from here that thinks that's unacceptable but that is neither here nor there. Bringing up something non related to the argument is what I call "arguing like a liberal" and the amount of animals killed is relevant to the topic. Because its about where to and Where to not shoot elk. After you have shot a bunch of them you kinda figure out What does and does not work. Once you have a few under your belt you will get it.
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Old 12-06-2011, 09:27 PM
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Re: Why I don't shoulder shoot elk!

Hey BigGreen,
I have to respond AGAIN. You say that you have shot and cut up several elk. Reading all of this makes me sick. I am 51 years old and have cut elk and shot elk since I was 18. I have a B & C Bison in the book killed with a 25-06 shoulder/lung shot. Got him in the Henry Mountains in Utah in 1992. My first shot was about 50 yards. It did take 2 more to bring him down. Gotta love those 100 grain Partitions. I really don't believe the long shot story you are telling. This forum is a really friendly forum. You opened a large can of worms with your B.S.
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Hey BigGreen,
I have to respond AGAIN. You say that you have shot and cut up several elk. Reading all of this makes me sick. I am 51 years old and have cut elk and shot elk since I was 18. I have a B & C Bison in the book killed with a 25-06 shoulder/lung shot. Got him in the Henry Mountains in Utah in 1992. My first shot was about 50 yards. It did take 2 more to bring him down. Gotta love those 100 grain Partitions. I really don't believe the long shot story you are telling. This forum is a really friendly forum. You opened a large can of worms with your B.S.
Kirk
That's pretty uncalled for. Tell are a different design than elk. I have shot many elk in the shoulder and never had one survive it but I'm Not about to call the man a liar.
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