Originally Posted by Railroader82
That's cause you didn't use enough lead.
That's part of the point of the thread, a 7mm with a 160 gr bullet is not enough lead every time I've seen a 300 mag with a 180 Accubond fail to penetrate an elk shoulder every time, my 300 WBY with a 168 Barnes will not penetrate an elk shoulder every time, all common rounds guys would use. If I wanted to shoulder shoot elk every time a 200+gr 30 cal bullet would be a start but I like the bigger 338 bullets because they get it done period, those are numbers I've come to from actually killing lots of elk and see guys try to kill lots of elk out in the open where you can see what actually happens.
The 22-250 comment was to high light just how easy it is to shoulder shoot a deer vs and elk, our wives shoot deer every year with a 22-250 with a 50-60 gr bullet through the shoulder or head because we can't have them jump the fence, we can kill 7 deer a year a piece, killing deer is slightly harder than killing rabbits.
I take guys out often that have never killed an elk and they want to shoot them like they do deer but they don't have enough bullet loaded even though they are packing what internet elk experts recommend, every year one of them does not listen to me sternly telling him not to shoot them in the shoulder and they get low and hit them in the middle of the shoulder and we have an elk with their shoulder flailing around not dead.
If your every watching an elk hunting video and they drop them with a cool looking shoulder shot watch and see how many of them are still in the same place, drop them in an open area but getting hero shots in the timber, do the math!!