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Old 07-30-2013, 07:49 PM
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Re: So what wrong with a .243 on Elk?

Greg

Iíve shot a couple of dozen deer with my 6mm Rem which is pretty much equivalent to your 243 AI. Distances ranged from 6 inches up to maybe 125 yards. Those shot in the lungs which was most of them went 0 to 20 yards. There was usually no meat damaged Ė which to me is important. I used 100 grain Sierra Game Kings or equivalent for most of those and that bullet would usually stop on the ribs on the opposite side - pretty much the perfect deer gun.

When I go elk hunting I carry a 338 RUM loaded with 210 gr Barnes TTSXs running right around 3,200 fps. A couple years ago that combo put down a nice 6X6 Blue Mountain elk and it went less than 20 yards. This was a broadside lung shot, 358 yards, 21 degree down angle. It was 4 hours up to the top with loaded pack board and that was just to get to the horses. There is no way I would take a shot like that with my 6mm Rem and that is a typical or even short shot in the Blues.

Idaho has got a lot of elk country that is pretty much the same thing. Even if a 6mm would kill an elk there is a significant chance that it will go more than 20 yards which is really bad for at least two reasons. One, you may not find it and two, it is now 6 hours to the top.

Iíve seen a wounded elk shot up like an old World War II bomber with steam coming out both sides go literally for miles and that was only a spike. If you donít put them down with the first shot and you get their adrenaline flowing you are in a world of hurt. (No I was not the fool that wounded that elk.)

So here is a thought. Borrow a rifle that will kill and elk for sure before it gets to the next county. Buy a box of ammo with Barnes bullets and give the leftovers to the owner when you give the gun back. Cost for you Ė a box of ammo.
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Old 07-30-2013, 10:02 PM
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Re: So what wrong with a .243 on Elk?

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It doesn't sound like you are enjoying the answers you are getting. If you mess it up because of being undergunned, I'm sure we won't be reading about it here.

You could buy yourself a $400-500 used rifle to shoot your elk and borrow a scope from another rifle, but it seems that is too much to ask. For many people, that is all the gun they will ever own. The rifle I am using for my 6.5x284 build was a 270 Win and I paid exactly $285 for it. The one I am using for my Mauser build was a stainless long action 116 in 7mm Rem Mag and I traded that for a slug gun that was worth a bit over $500.

Do it right, use enough gun.
Completely agree westcliffe, I don't think he wants to hear the truth. Although I will not argue that a .243 can kill an elk if you keep the distance reasonable. On the other hand, here are the issues I have:

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The first time I hunt up there will be next year and I only plan of buying a Deer tag just to see what the chances are of running into a lot of Elk. I probably will but then Jackies Dad hunts for one reason only and thats meat, so it the opportunity arises for me to help him out I will...
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Some years ago I went deer hunting with a freind .......he had a tag but I did not . I was hunting for Coyotes with my .222 loaded with 46gr Calhoon bullets. He told me that if you see a nice buck shoot it.............Of course I ran into a really nice 4x4 one moring and hit him right behind the shoulder at just over 100 yards. He went down tried to get up then fell back dead...
Greg, if you want to hunt any animal, probably best to get a tag for it. Another tip: if you are going to talk about illegally taking animals, you might not want to use your real name as well as your location on a random website.
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Old 07-30-2013, 10:25 PM
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Re: So what wrong with a .243 on Elk?

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Some years ago I went deer hunting with a freind .......he had a tag but I did not . I was hunting for Coyotes with my .222 loaded with 46gr Calhoon bullets. He told me that if you see a nice buck shoot it.............Of course I ran into a really nice 4x4 one moring and hit him right behind the shoulder at just over 100 yards. He went down tried to get up then fell back dead...

Greg, if you want to hunt any animal, probably best to get a tag for it. Another tip: if you are going to talk about illegally taking animals, you might not want to use your real name as well as your location on a random website.


***Some people are just plain stupid when they get on the net and there have been a number busted just because of statements like that one or pictures of themselves with illegal kills! This was another prime example of that!!!
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Old 07-30-2013, 10:33 PM
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Re: So what wrong with a .243 on Elk?

Maybe Greg is a government official doing some fishing ? Many of the western states have laws regarding Min energy for taking game. Anyway, it gives none of us a good name when people go blasting away in the mountains with weapons that are unlikely to make a clean kill. I believe that abandonment of wounded game is also a misdemeanor charge at the very least... Wanton destruction or something along those lines.

Greg has reported here in this forum that he had a heck of a time trying to shoot any high BC bullets and had to "settle" for flat based bullets, so his rifle is not even comparable to some shown in the youtube videos shooting cow elk with 105gr VLD's.
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Old 07-30-2013, 11:22 PM
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Re: So what wrong with a .243 on Elk?

Please...LOL
I would use my , 30-06, 308 or my 270 instead of the 243. Sure a 243, it will kill an elk. What if you run into a big bear up there, and you have to shoot. Probably never tell the story about it here. Besides I believe in following the rules and being an ethical hunter. I have had plenty of shots at game, that I didn't have a tag for. I could have shot them, but I didn't have a tag. You just cannot do illegal stuff or it will catch up to you. I surely would not hunt with Greg.
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Old 07-30-2013, 11:24 PM
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Re: So what wrong with a .243 on Elk?

It's difficult when you start talking about taking an elk with a .243 in a long range shooting forum. Of course you can shoot a .243 and kill an elk, and I actually think Greg was on the right path with his shot selection (broad side, short distance, etc), but how often does that really happen? I know he was hoping for more support in doing that, but I would say if you want to hunt elk, get a license (first of all) and then get a bigger gun to help out when everything doesn't go 'perfect.' That's my two cents at least...

And I do agree with Westcliffe, if you do pull some of these illegal moves, don't post about them on these threads. It gives everyone else here a bad name.
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Old 07-30-2013, 11:27 PM
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Re: So what wrong with a .243 on Elk?

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Please...LOL
I would use my , 30-06, 308 or my 270 instead of the 243. Sure a 243, it will kill an elk. What if you run into a big bear up there, and you have to shoot. Probably never tell the story about it here. Besides I believe in following the rules and being an ethical hunter. I have had plenty of shots at game, that I didn't have a tag for. I could have shot them, but I didn't have a tag. You just cannot do illegal stuff or it will catch up to you. I surely would not hunt with Greg.
Agree Bob...By the way, I agree that although your opinions may have gotten a little off track on this thread, they were by no means going against what this forum is all about. Simply stating some facts, not judging someone on their ethics...
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