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Old 08-07-2013, 11:03 PM
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Re: So what wrong with a .243 on Elk?

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Well, it appears that our Idaho bulls wandered over your way---------------no thirds here either. But, hey, you can't eat thirds.

Randy
They don't have to wander far, I'm sitting on the boarder half the time waiting for them to try to make it back to Idaho

We're seeing some large bulls now, my boss has 1200 or so elk come down on the pivots and he's taken few bulls for 6 years now and we have some 7 1/2 year olds this year in the 380+ range, last year they wacked one in that age group at 376 and change
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Old 08-08-2013, 08:12 AM
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Re: So what wrong with a .243 on Elk?

As far as loosing animals even though the animal was hit hard or in the right place................. If any animal is hit in the lungs, will it recover, will it survive, can an Elk hit in the lungs run for miles........... From a pure medical standpoint could an Elk shot through one lung or both survive?

I was under the impression that any animal with a lung shot would not go vary far. If the lung is missed it will go a long long way, and may recover. The issue I have is unless you recover the animal you have no idea of how well it was hit......................or if it was hit at all.
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Old 08-08-2013, 10:15 AM
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Re: So what wrong with a .243 on Elk?

The more I read your posts the more it seems you fit into the pot stirrer or troll category. An elk and other larger animals can recover from only one lung being hit and they can go a lot further than you ever will trying to recover them. A bull hit through both lungs with a small caliber that doesn't leave a big wound channel to cause a fairly rapid bleedout can also go a lot further than you ever will trying to recover it before it dies!
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Old 08-08-2013, 11:55 AM
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Re: So what wrong with a .243 on Elk?

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....... From a pure medical standpoint could an Elk shot through one lung or both survive?
Lungs are not big balloons that are either popped or not! They branch into lobes and segments. In humans 5 lobes, 3 right, 2 left. 10 segments right-8-10 left. Blood flow is two parts, systemic which is a high pressure system that will bleed profusely, and a pulmonary system that is a low pressure system that does not bleed well. Other anatomy and physiology responses in play as well, too many too list here. Google penetrating wounds and you'll get more insight as to the possibilities. In terms of absolutes there aren't any, Google speargun to the head, good placement, and penetration, with decent caliber, fellow lived to tell the story. Its probabilities and preferences. A couple of decades ago Idaho F&G had a small article in the local paper about collared elk, their bottom line was only about a third of rifle kills were recovered, about a fifth of arrow kills. Small study group, and I'll guarantee some were found and left in the canyons. No attempt at all to determine calibers etc.. Other than limiting rifles to 16 lbs I can't recall, any other legal limits imposed on elk hunting equipment. Yes I believe an elk might survive the bullet wound, but predators and winter will have their say also.
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Old 08-08-2013, 03:05 PM
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Re: So what wrong with a .243 on Elk?

the last time I was in Scheels in Great Falls, which has been quite a few years now, there were a number of nice bulls on the wall that had been shot with a 243. I have a friend that is 4 for 4 taking bulls with a 243... maybe more now, that was a couple years ago. Would I hunt bull elk with a 243? If it was the only rifle I had... yes. I would use bullet to cause max damage to both lungs as possible and limit my range to ensure penetration of both lungs.

That said, I have a choice of rifles and my choice will be a 30 cal rifle, and since long range shots are on the menu, it will be a large powerful 30 cal.

It's all about the odds fellas. Put a hole through both lungs and the critter will die. The question is when and where. You can bring up all kinds of anecdotal stories about how a bull shot with a 338 ran for a mile or how a 233 dropped one in it's tracks. Not all animals act the same when shot. I've seen a buck antelope shot with a 1" entrance hole and 2" exit hole through both lungs take off like it wasn't hit and sprint in a 100 yd death circle before it piled up. When he took off, I thought to myself awwww $#!T

Bigger bullets make bigger holes. Bigger holes drain bloodmore quickly. The quicker the blood drains and blood pressure drops, the sooner the brain dies from lack of oxygen. Some critters might get a last shot of adrenalin before expiring while others succumb more quickly. Some might be incapacitated by CNS shock.

I choose to improve the odds.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:35 PM
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Re: So what wrong with a .243 on Elk?

My original post was not intended to stur up anything.............I have no experiance hunting Elk other than the one Bull I shot almost 9 years ago. That one experiance showed me that a Large Bull Elk can take a lot of lead. There are other guys that I talked to that shoot Elk every year with a 25-06. However, after all that I have heard and read it seems that the 30cal it the way to go. I just dont like the idea of a heavy recoiling rifle, or one that is heavy. I did look at a Cooper Excaliber 300 Win Mag that was very confortable to hold but I would guess that it would really kick. Thus far I can only think of the .280 AI as my next rifle. I did see a Weatherby MK V in the 7mm Weatherby Magnum with a factory MB for $800, have no idea of how they shoot.
It kind of like the Binoculars I saving up to by, I want to buy what I really need so that I dont have to wonder about what Im missing.
How many of you guys use your 300 Mag to hunt Deer with?

I guess that there are Elk Cartridges and Deer Cartridges but if you were going to hunt Deer 70% of the time and Elk 25% of the time what would you shoot

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Re: So what wrong with a .243 on Elk?

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How many of you guys use your 300 Mag to hunt Deer with?

I guess that there are Elk Cartridges and Deer Cartridges but if you were going to hunt Deer 70% of the time and Elk 25% of the time what would you shoot

G
Greg, last year I shot everything from antelope, coyote, deer and elk with my 300 win. It weighs in under 12# with a 2lb Nightforce and a bipod. I am 55 this year and I put in my back pack and go. My 5'2" wife has shot 2 elk with it, one at 425 one at 585 yds. Recoil is nothing. Last season I took 2 guys over 70 yrs old to kill their elk. One stoned a bull at 777 the other a cow at 780. All of these one shot kills from guys that don't even shoot long rage. I took a 12 yr old for his first bull, he shot his bull at 550 and no mention of recoil or noise. We have taken large mule deer at as far as 891 yards, elk to 1000, many at 800, I took my biggest bull with this rifle at 636, I took antelope last year with it at 805, 1005, and 1285 again all one shot kills. I have had 2 very petite ladies her to practice this summer shooting targets to 1000 yds. No recoil or noise complaints. Your worries of recoil and noise are coming from lack of education. This is a great set up to hunt everything in North America!!! Now if you want a 280 go for it. But if you want 1 rifle to practice with, get to know, get good with and fill freezers, the 300 win is a great choice. Or I guess you can build another rifle in 2 more years as your skill set improves and you want more.

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