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Unread 02-15-2009, 10:26 PM
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Re: Long Range Elk Rifle

No doubt that a 300 Ultra with a high BC bullet is a performer. I wasn't trying to point out that the 7 mag magically beats bigger magnums that can launch the same weight and design bullet faster. My point was that the 7 mag with a VLD (Swampworks 180 .68 BC, lower than they list) runs right along side the 300 Ultra at extended ranges when the Ultra has the type of ammo the average guy totes around. I think I ran it against a .30cal 180 Partition @ 3300fps and I used my 7 data which is 2950fps with the 180VLD.

Apples to apples, no. But, a 300 ultra shooting a 180 VLD and a 7 mag shooting a 180 VLD wouldn't really be apples to apples for me because eventhough I'm 6'1" 240, big recoil bothers me when I'm trying to precisely place a bullet at 800 yards. If the 300 Ultra was loaded down to 7mag recoil it would rob it of it's advantages.

For me, the 7mag with a 180 VLD has plenty of energy and makes it easier to deliver it to the right spot. Your 240 @ 3KFPS is a great elk round, but it wouldn't work for me because I wouldn't put the range time in with it due to the recoil bunching my skirt up :^)
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Unread 02-16-2009, 12:33 AM
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Re: Long Range Elk Rifle

I am not trying to be a smart a** when i say look into a muzzle brake for the recoil as the ultra mag is a great long range game getter. load a 200 gr accubond, it will have around 100 more ft lb of nock down at 1000 yrds then the 7 rem mag with a 180 gr high coif bullet at 800 yards. and it only gets better as you load it with better bullets. the accubond in the comparison is giving up around .100 coif. Im not trying to knock down the 7 rem, Im just saying at this range the 300 ultra shines.

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Unread 02-16-2009, 01:10 AM
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Re: Long Range Elk Rifle

Did the muzzle brake thing and it's not for me. Besides, if I switched back to something bigger, I would be guilty of fixing something that isn't broke. Did I mention that my second favorite long range elk rifle is a .264 Win mag? Elmer Keith just rolled over.
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Unread 02-16-2009, 08:10 AM
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Re: Long Range Elk Rifle

I was planning on putting a heavy barrel on it along with a muzzle brake. I know there will still be some recoil coming out of the 300 or 338 RUM, but I'm hoping to knock it down some. My buddy had a regular 338 and I only shot it once because it was a cannon and it was setup in a light rifle. I definately am not making that mistake again! I completely understand that there is no recoil with game in your site, but if I can't shoot but around 5 rounds out of it at a time because of the recoil there really isn't much fun in shooting it. This is why I may just do the 300 RUM, but you guys REALLY have me thinking of the 338 RUM....I just wish my wife would hurry up and win powerball and I'd have both
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Unread 02-16-2009, 01:22 PM
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Re: Long Range Elk Rifle

Just some food for thought, how much energy does and average arrow have at 40 yards? My opinion favors shot placement more then bullet energy, within reason. Most elk properly shot at long distance never know they have been shot by a human. Some do the coyote dash, but most do not cover much distance giving them time to expire. A big fast bullet that fragments or looses half it's mass, does not kill like a bullet that puts two large holes in the chest cavity. No respiration no brain function. The next issue for a later discussion is getting copper bullets to shoot as well as SMK or Accubonds.
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Unread 02-16-2009, 01:43 PM
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Re: Long Range Elk Rifle

I believe an arrow kills in a completely different fashion than does a bullet, right? An energy comparison between the two is not a good comparison. A comparison between the two is not a good comparison at all, I don't think. Just completely different animals.

It's not just energy. The 338 cal. expanding bullet will typically do more damage going through a big elk than will a smaller caliber bullet. If the point is to put them down fast, and you can accurately shoot the rifle, then go big. If not, shoot what you can shoot accurately--that's more important than shooting big. Edit: or shoot with a brake--alot of folks on the forum do so with excellent results.

Bullet placement is always important no matter what type of bullet it is, how much it weighs, what it's designed to do, the caliber or what it's made of. There are bullets with excellent records that are designed to blow up inside after penetrating a bit (Bergers) and those that are designed to hold together and exit.
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Unread 02-16-2009, 09:29 PM
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Re: Long Range Elk Rifle

Rooster740, nice photo collection of bulls. That Gardiner/Jardine area used to produce alot of them. Many years ago, I was sheep hunting on the Hellroaring Divide and got one of my biggest bulls ever. It looks like you and I quit hunting that area for the same reasons.
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