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Old 02-15-2009, 11:10 AM
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I was originally leaning towards a 7mm Mag shooting a 180 bullet. However, I remember talking to someone who's gone several times saying that guides love it when guys bring out the 338 cannons because they won't run and just kills them in their tracks. However, I know lots of people swear by the 7mm so I'm just trying to get as many opinions befor I do this. I did see the poll on the website, and thats what got me thinking a 7wsm. I was thinking of a 300 RUM, but my dad has a 300 SAUM which he says in a couple of years will be mine so I don't want to do a 300 RUM, or 300 WSM. Does anyone know if their is that much of a difference between the 7mm rem mag and a 7mm wsm? I understand the ballistic tables are close, but I'm looking for real world/shooting opinions. Also, I read one article saying the 7wsm will only last about 1000 rds in the barrel, anyone know if this is true?
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Old 02-15-2009, 12:22 PM
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There is NO magic killing round only powder capacity and bullet size. that being said if you want to drop somthing big shoot somthing big. get somthing that will handle a min of 90 grains of powder and 200 grains of bullet. Can you kill with less? ( yes ) should you try to at 800 plus yards? I would not want to track one up and down a mountian range. The 300 saum is great but it is no 300 ultra. Get a 300 ultra mag or a 338 ultra mag and never look back. Hope this helps.

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Old 02-15-2009, 04:48 PM
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There is NO magic killing round only powder capacity and bullet size. that being said if you want to drop somthing big shoot somthing big. get somthing that will handle a min of 90 grains of powder and 200 grains of bullet. Can you kill with less? ( yes ) should you try to at 800 plus yards? I would not want to track one up and down a mountian range. The 300 saum is great but it is no 300 ultra. Get a 300 ultra mag or a 338 ultra mag and never look back. Hope this helps
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Don't mistake a 300 RSAUM for a RUM two different creatures. A RUM pushing a 200 NAB at 3250 FPS with a well placed shot kills with extreme prejudice!! Since you are building for elk I would go with a big 30 or mid .33 like a RUM or Edge. All of the cals you mentioned will work buut if it's for elk why not hit em hard? just my .02

PS I shot a whitetail buck the last day of this season @ 515 yards standing at the edge of the woods at last light with a 6br. I agonized over the shot for several minutes kicking myself for not bringing the 300 wsm. My point being if I paid for an elk hunt and wound up in a similar position I would want to hit it Hard. Not saying a 7 WSM or other cartridge might not drop it in its tracks but in my opinion they dont hit like a big 30 or a 300 grain smk.
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Old 02-15-2009, 08:33 PM
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Go with the 338 RUM/Lapua/Edge/Allen EX/Allen Mag. Shoot the 300 SMK.
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I was originally leaning towards a 7mm Mag shooting a 180 bullet. However, I remember talking to someone who's gone several times saying that guides love it when guys bring out the 338 cannons because they won't run and just kills them in their tracks. However, I know lots of people swear by the 7mm so I'm just trying to get as many opinions befor I do this. I did see the poll on the website, and thats what got me thinking a 7wsm. I was thinking of a 300 RUM, but my dad has a 300 SAUM which he says in a couple of years will be mine so I don't want to do a 300 RUM, or 300 WSM. Does anyone know if their is that much of a difference between the 7mm rem mag and a 7mm wsm? I understand the ballistic tables are close, but I'm looking for real world/shooting opinions. Also, I read one article saying the 7wsm will only last about 1000 rds in the barrel, anyone know if this is true?
Just about the only 7mm that I'd feel very comfortalbe shooting elk at 600-800 yds would be the 7mm Allen Magnum spitting the 200g Wildcat Al RBBT at 3300fps+.

My brother shot a cow at 428 this year with 300WSM. Two good hits in the kill zone with 3050fps 180g Accubonds. Neither exited. Dead elk, but just an indication that you are starting to run out of ooommphh a bit and shot placement become more and more important. Not that it ever isn't important, there's just less room for error.

Given the choice: big animal...big gun. The SAUM is no UM. Your best bet for off the shelf, cheap, knock-em-dead elk killer is probably the 338 UM. It packs a heckuva wallop with a 225 or better yet, the 250 Accubond. The 338 Edge would be better, then you're into the 338 Lapua Imps and then the 338 cal 408 Chey-Tac based cases. I'm in the process of gathering components to have Kirby build me a 338AX (Lapua Imp) for a long range elk killer. Hard to beat elk stopping power for a packable mountain rifle.
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Lots of correct answers to your question. I like the 7mm Rem Mag with a 180 VLD.

At 600 yards, it's going faster, has more energy, and drifts less in the wind than a 300 Ultramag shooting a conventional design 180gr.. That, combined with less recoil and seeing a bunch of elk go down quick with 500+ yard shots, makes it tops in my book.
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You may want to run you numbers because a 7mm Rem Mag will not match a 300UM. According to Exbal, a 180 VLD at even 2800fps (.659bc) will still not match the speed and energy and is only 1/4 MOA wind drift less at sea level compared to a 300RUM using a 180 Accubond @ 3300fps (right on the can of Retumbo) and the Accubond is a dog balistically to the VLD. That's comparing apples and oranges. At least use a VLD for the 300RUM to get a valid comparison. Do so and the 300RUM will completely eclipse the 7 Rem Mag. It's a simple matter of horsepower/cubic inches here--the Rem Mag cannot match the RUM. Use a 210 VLD (.625) or the 240 SMK (.711--I push the 240 to 3K with 104g of US869) and then do your comparisons.
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Re: Long Range Elk Rifle

Amen jmden
GREAT post
The 240 out of the 300 ultra is hard to beat.
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