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Old 01-04-2012, 02:25 PM
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Getting ready to apply for WY elk. Can't decide.

So I am in a quandry as to what to do about WY elk. I am dead set on a solid 350" 6x6 or better. I've harvested a couple of smaller bulls and am not going to harvest anything less than what I really want. Looking for an October 1st rifle hunt where I can see multiple bulls a day, hear a few bugles and have a few opportunities at some mature bulls.

I realize hunting in the wilderness requires a guide and I am not sure I can afford one this year so I may not be able to go that route. I am NOT afraid to backpack in somewhere and am not afraid of rugged terrain.

The most important thing is to be into good bulls regardless of what I have to do to get to them/get them out. Grizzlies and wolves dont concern me unless they have taken their toll on the elk population and mature bulls. My absolute max range is 1000 yards and prefer areas that I can glass and move into position or shoot from my glassing vantage.

I also realize I can probably find 350 bulls in nearly any unit but I am looking for an area that would produce a good number of good bulls to choose from (not looking for any given 'spots' or honey holes).

I do have max points and dont HAVE to draw this year. I would rather continue to apply for tough to draw units and eventually get what I want rather than burn my points on a mediocre hunt this year just for the sake of going elk hunting this year.

Any suggestions?

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Please just answer one very simple question. Why would anyone shooting long range load a low BC , low SD 168 gr offering in a 300 win???????

My answer to this is. The only reason is to make the 7 RM look good. There is no other reason.

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Old 01-04-2012, 04:07 PM
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Re: Getting ready to apply for WY elk. Can't decide.

I admire your standards, but I am not sure you realize what you are asking, a 350 bull is not something you can really expect. You may get lucky and get one but chances are you will not. I have killed several bull elk and been in on many more and have only seen to push past the 350 mark and this is on prime elk territory on my familys private land. Sure there are 350 elk out there and people shoot quite a few of them every year, but the chances percentage wise are not very good. My advice is stay away from the far west side of the state because numbers are down and wolves are up. area 100 is supposed to have some monster bulls in it. if it werent for the poor odds I would hunt there myself. its in the red desert so it wouldnt be your traditional elk hunt
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Re: Getting ready to apply for WY elk. Can't decide.

I am by far no expert Michael but have done a fair amount of research in WY and hunted there the last 2 years. I was hunting deer and scouting for future antelope but have researched elk as well. What I determined about about elk hunting in WY as a non-resident is it is a good state for a 330 bull without a guide. That does not by any means say that you can't kill bigger bulls because it happens to the lucky ones every year! I believe 330 is a realistic goal over all in most of the top units. I would not go into it on my first try without a guide with a goal of 350 but instead just try and hunt hard and take a 330-340+. I am not trying to discourage you in any way just sharing my thoughts. That being said I would consider area 7 first and probably be thinking about areas like 16,100, and even the sleeper 124 along with a couple other central units before considering the traditional big bull units in the NW part of the state. The NW still holds some great bulls but if I were going to hunt that area I would think long and hard about booking with an outfitter. If I booked with an outfitter I would lean a little harder on the 350 but keep in mind their just numbers, I'll know the one I want when I see him!
Best of luck on your quest and let us know how you do!
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Old 01-04-2012, 07:11 PM
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Re: Getting ready to apply for WY elk. Can't decide.

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I admire your standards, but I am not sure you realize what you are asking, a 350 bull is not something you can really expect. You may get lucky and get one but chances are you will not. I have killed several bull elk and been in on many more and have only seen to push past the 350 mark and this is on prime elk territory on my familys private land. Sure there are 350 elk out there and people shoot quite a few of them every year, but the chances percentage wise are not very good. My advice is stay away from the far west side of the state because numbers are down and wolves are up. area 100 is supposed to have some monster bulls in it. if it werent for the poor odds I would hunt there myself. its in the red desert so it wouldnt be your traditional elk hunt
Thanks for the info. Believe me I know that nothing is for sure. Having hunted Arizona 3 times and New Mexico once (good solid hunts in the land of the true giants) I know how tricky 350+ bulls are to find and harder yet, to harvest. That said, I am just looking for my best chance. Some units/areas are more forgiving than others.

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Please just answer one very simple question. Why would anyone shooting long range load a low BC , low SD 168 gr offering in a 300 win???????

My answer to this is. The only reason is to make the 7 RM look good. There is no other reason.

Jeff.
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Old 01-04-2012, 07:17 PM
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Re: Getting ready to apply for WY elk. Can't decide.

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If I booked with an outfitter I would lean a little harder on the 350 but keep in mind their just numbers, I'll know the one I want when I see him!
Best of luck on your quest and let us know how you do!
I couldn't agree more. I use 350 as a baseline or a reference as to length, width and mass. In other words, a mature bull. I'll know the one I want when I see him as well.

On my last AZ hunt I had a goal of at least a 330 bull and had multiple opportunities to go after a 330-340 bull (well within my size goal) but he did not have the OH THATS A GOOD LOOKING BULL! factor. So I kept passing on him. I was always near him for all 7 days and kept passing on him. Even before I saw the big dog. I would rather nail down a 330 bull with the horn charectaristics that I want versus a 370 bull I feel is ugly. I would never shoot one just because he has XX inches.

Hope that helps you guys see what I am after.

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Please just answer one very simple question. Why would anyone shooting long range load a low BC , low SD 168 gr offering in a 300 win???????

My answer to this is. The only reason is to make the 7 RM look good. There is no other reason.

Jeff.
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Old 01-05-2012, 12:28 AM
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Re: Getting ready to apply for WY elk. Can't decide.

There are many more big bulls in New Mexico and Arizona along with a few more states than in Wyoming. Good luck if you find that in Wyoming and let me know if you do. Wyoming has always been a good spot for nice bulls in the 280-330 range but wolves have hurt us quite a bit. I have hunted every western state for elk and Wyoming is not the state to focus on for a trophy however a few do show up every year. I know some guides that could show you what you want on private land but that kind of elk hunting is pricey. In the trophy elk states you can focus on big 350 class bulls and find them. Here you can focus on big bulls and may not or probably will not find one on public land. I saw a couple good ones looking at antelope in 100. It is good open country to glass but very hard to draw. I think you could find a 350 in there if you spent a couple weeks glassing. Find a good outfitter in 7 that has access to good private land and you could see a 350+ bull. Outfitters that control the private on the south side of the bighorns can also probably show you a 350 class bull.

I know several units that hold 350 class bulls they are just not as easy to find or as numerous on public land as in trophy elk states like you mentioned.
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Re: Getting ready to apply for WY elk. Can't decide.

I've lived here my whole life and have hunted quite a few areas all across the state. If you get any info on areas where a good number of 350 class bulls are found on public ground for a DIY kinda guy, please post up as I'll put in for the area too...
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