I still think the long term effects of this will bring all of the required preference points down, which would be the goal of the CPW by doing this. I would rather sacrifice some of the mid range units now so my kids will actually have an opportunity to draw one of the prized units someday, instead of never having a chance. If that list shrinks down to where the most preference points people have are 15 instead of 28, I think that will definitely help things out. Yes, some of the mid range units will be more difficult to draw, but in the end I could see it being worth it.
To put things in perspective on this, there are currently 34 hunt codes that required 10 or more preference points last year for residents. There are 19 that require 6-9 preference points and there are 32 codes that require 3-5 preference points. Imagine if you are someone with 10 points...what are you going to do? Maybe you apply for two of the 5 point units back to back and burn all your points. Or maybe you just keep waiting. Either way, if some of these mid range units go up for a few years, what's the big deal? I would rather have that happen and stop the point creep than the other way around. Truthfully, with the point creep, people are going to end up burning their points on these lower pref point units anyway, so if they get one extra tag out of it, I just don't see it being a big deal. No one is going to be blowing their 10 points on 2 or 3 point units.
Again, to go back to what you said about our children growing up, I would much rather them eventually have a chance at one of the top units instead of saving up every year only to hunt one of these mid range units when they are 30.
Cohunter14, The one thing you mention that I disagree with is that things will settle down and point creep will slow or stop after a few years of point banking? If you think about it point banking will prompt guys that haven't been applying for units (just applying for pref pts) to change and start applying for units they can draw. You also forgot to mention that every point banker will likely use his pref pts for at least 2 tags...which means point bankers will displace those appicants that originally applied for tags 2 or 3 times! This in turn will drive up the number of pref pts it takes to draw tags from that year on....never slowing down point creep and never stabilizing! Point bankers displace those that originally applied for these tags 2 or even possibly 3 times!
This will drive up the pref pts required to draw middle tier tags. I'm not exactly sure if you understood my last post....it will become a domino effect for all lessor pref pt units. Since more guys are applying and burning pref pts that originally only applied for pref pts there are a lot more applicants vying for tags. Once pref pts increase it will take more pref pts from that time on to draw those tags.
Hopefully I explained things so you can understand! One thing I can pretty much guarantee is point creep will point leap and never return to the pref pt levels they are today!
It looks to me like we are more or less saying the same thing, but looking at it from different perspectives. I think we all agree that at least for some duration of time the middle range hunts will be harder to get.
But the way I look at all of this, is that a banking system is more fair all around. It would be a shame if some of the guys who've banked for 20+ years had to use all those points on a hunt that required half those points but used up all their points. The banking system gives those guys something for all the years they saved points but never got to use them on a premier hunt, and then in turn, will open up those premier hunts down the road.
Another way to look at it.... if you were saving up for the past 20 years for a brand new Ford F350 King Ranch Super Duty Diesel, lift kit, mud tires, leather, every bell and whistle , but every year they just got a little more expensive and out of your price range, would it be fare if you finally settled on a Ford F-150 but still had to pay $90,000???
No matter how you slice this pie, there is always going to be more guys that want to hunt any of the good units than there are tags available. I listened in on a DOW town hall meeting, and everybody there, including hunters, were all for a banking system. This is the DOW's best attempt to help fix a very challenging situation, they really are trying their best here. It may not be ideal, but it certainly is more fair with banking.
Exactly, I think we all agree that some of the mid tier hunts will go up, but I think we can also agree that something has to be done. If we continue on the same path, it will only get worse.
The thing to remember is that it is still going to be based on a supply and demand setup. Maybe some folks will opt to hunt twice in a unit that requires 5 preference points while others will still hold out and wait for one of the top tier units. In the end, I would rather see the middle tier hunts require one or two more preference points and see the top tier stay steady or even come down a point or two than the other way around. But those mid tier hunts will definitely get to a level where people won't waste x amount of preference points to hunt there. What that level is? I don't know, but I would guess that those hunts will not creap up more than a point or two. Meanwhile, the units that most people hunt on an annual basis, those that require 0 or 1 point, will not be affected at all.
At this point, I just don't see how the CPW has any other option.
So in California we have a preference point system that has been in place about 10 years. Before it was a PP system, it was just a straight lottery. The tag quota for my zone at the time was 2300, it was weigh too much. They shrunk it to 850 or so in 1994, and it's still too much. After they shrunk the tag quota, I went from hunting the same area every year to not being able to hunt there for 15 years. It's not a "trophy" zone, but it does hold big mule deer, should you know where to look.
After the point system was put into place, now I can hunt that zone every 2-4 years which is reasonable. We can put in as a group of 6 and all preference points are added up and averaged and then when the draw occurs, your group is assigned PP average for the group. Or you can put in solo.
Also, depending on the zone and hunt, there is a general lottery. So 10-20% of the tags go to just random draws. My friend drew a hunt this past year for a Roosevelt Elk hunt. He killed a very very nice bull (which I called in for him), and it was his first bull. He had 1-2 PP and got drawn for a zone where MAX PP are needed.
It's an odd system, but it seems to work.
I'm in a little bit of a conundrum, I have 6 PP in CO, and the zone I hunt Elk in I need 0-1 PP depending on the year. It would be nice if every few years I could use just one of my points and draw a tag and then maybe 3-4 years later use another point, all the while still adding enough PP to get one of the premium tags.
I see big bucks every year where I hunt in CO. Probably every other year I see a 190" buck that I could kill. It just would be nice to have a little bit more flexibility.
Good to hear that Cali has some type of system that seems to be working. I like that they reserve a portion of tags for a general lottery to give everybody at least some kind of a chance to draw a premium tag. I can see that being very positive for the guys that have no points, but I can also see the guys who save points not liking that at all.
It will be very interesting to see how this banking system plays out in Colorado. I'm trying to stay optimistic, so I am just telling myself it's not going to effect the 0-1 preference point units. It will really suck if the 0 preference point unit I hunt in now turns into a several preference point unit. Only time will tell ....