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Old 02-23-2013, 10:45 PM
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Re: Burnt out and havent even booked

I am back from the wolf hunt and spoke to my outfitter about our conversation. Another good option is to book a hunt with an outfitter and get to know the area. For a return hunt you do a drop camp. Win win. We have a couple of allocation tags that right now go for 4500 to 5000 for the tag alone. There are only two. Anyway, I don't expect you want a 10000 plus hunt but if you know anyone send them to me.
Regardless of what you do this is the time when people book up hunts. Good luck.
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:28 PM
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I've hunted elk 3 years rifle and 1 year archery. I killed a 243in bull the first year rifle, and the archery year. All hunts were self-guided with minimal local intel.

As long as you aren't demanding that you shoot a 350in monster, it is certainly possible to DIY.

You can pretty much guarantee that wherever you go, if you don't have a lot of scouting intel the first 3-4 days will just be figuring out how to hunt the area. That is the price you pay to go on the cheap and not buy local knowledge. That said, total cost for each of my hunts...including out-of-state tags...was under $2000. And each of the rifle hunts I got either a deer or antelope to boot.
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Old 02-27-2013, 08:58 AM
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I would like to point something out about the cost though, this is not meant to bag on you. Unless a person has the gear already that $2000 is not going cover what you need these days. For example, if I wanted to go to NM or AZ for a DIY hunt I happen to have the following already: a truck, a 4 wheeler, a trail bike, a tent, camp stove, sleeping bag, mat, pack frame, game bags, coolers, water purifiers, etc.

My point is that not everyone has this stuff already sitting in the garage ready to rock and roll. I have had several clients show up who do not own a back pack as well. At any given time the amount of gear on my body and cost of that gear is right around 7000 - 7500. That is head to toe outfitted. Add the freaking truck and other crap ..... ouch. I have a camp trailer as well. It is crazy what we can spend on this.

I agree that a DIY hunt is rewarding and can be done for sure and likely the way I would do it too. However, if you literally want to show up with a bag, a gun, and minimal gear, have your meals cooked etc, an outfitter is the way to go. Drop camp is the next lower level that can be quite rewarding too, minimal gear required. Just some thoughts.
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Old 02-27-2013, 09:52 AM
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I would like to point something out about the cost though, this is not meant to bag on you. Unless a person has the gear already that $2000 is not going cover what you need these days. For example, if I wanted to go to NM or AZ for a DIY hunt I happen to have the following already: a truck, a 4 wheeler, a trail bike, a tent, camp stove, sleeping bag, mat, pack frame, game bags, coolers, water purifiers, etc.

My point is that not everyone has this stuff already sitting in the garage ready to rock and roll. I have had several clients show up who do not own a back pack as well. At any given time the amount of gear on my body and cost of that gear is right around 7000 - 7500. That is head to toe outfitted. Add the freaking truck and other crap ..... ouch. I have a camp trailer as well. It is crazy what we can spend on this.

I agree that a DIY hunt is rewarding and can be done for sure and likely the way I would do it too. However, if you literally want to show up with a bag, a gun, and minimal gear, have your meals cooked etc, an outfitter is the way to go. Drop camp is the next lower level that can be quite rewarding too, minimal gear required. Just some thoughts.
Great points Brent, which is what I tried to point out earlier. I think a lot just depends on how often he really wants to elk hunt. If this is going to be an every year deal, then it's better to drop some money on some of the supplies now and keep building that up over the years. In the long run, that will be a lot cheaper than a guided hunt every year. The other options are, if money isn't an issue and he can do a guided hunt every year, then go that route. Or if he is looking for just a once every 5 years hunt or something like that, guided hunts are the way to go. We just need more information on what his overall plans are.
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Old 03-02-2013, 10:14 PM
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I would like to point something out about the cost though, this is not meant to bag on you. Unless a person has the gear already that $2000 is not going cover what you need these days. For example, if I wanted to go to NM or AZ for a DIY hunt I happen to have the following already: a truck, a 4 wheeler, a trail bike, a tent, camp stove, sleeping bag, mat, pack frame, game bags, coolers, water purifiers, etc.

My point is that not everyone has this stuff already sitting in the garage ready to rock and roll. I have had several clients show up who do not own a back pack as well. At any given time the amount of gear on my body and cost of that gear is right around 7000 - 7500. That is head to toe outfitted. Add the freaking truck and other crap ..... ouch. I have a camp trailer as well. It is crazy what we can spend on this.

I agree that a DIY hunt is rewarding and can be done for sure and likely the way I would do it too. However, if you literally want to show up with a bag, a gun, and minimal gear, have your meals cooked etc, an outfitter is the way to go. Drop camp is the next lower level that can be quite rewarding too, minimal gear required. Just some thoughts.
Well seriously, if you show up with a rifle and a sleeping bag and not even a pack, and clueless as to what else you need to hunt...you have bigger problems. Those type of people are likely more dangerous to themselves than the grizzlies are.

When I quote $2000 that includes tags, gas, food, beer, and truck rental for 10 days split between 2 people. Seriously, a tent and stove don't add that much to the total. Yes I spent some coin on clothing I did not have, but frankly all that did was put me in clothing I could use even for local hunting trips, that I had been wanting/needing for years, but simply hadn't pulled the trigger on.

DIY is for sure harder. But isn't that part of it? When I pulled the trigger on my elk I knew I had done it myself...nobody was telling me when to shoot or holding my hand. I can tell you there was some satisfaction in a couple local guys making light fun of the out-of-staters in the parking lot one day, then walking up on me as I was meating out my 6X6 the next one.
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Old 03-10-2013, 06:28 PM
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I think everyone has made some great points to consider. I have been hunting elk and mule deer practically my whole life and was born and raised in Colorado. I now have lived the past 23 years in Northern New Mexico, in the heart of some of the best elk hunting country. I think one of the most important things to remember is having a good attitude about which ever way you decide to go. Having been in the military you most likely have the attributes to be successful on your own. (Thanks for your service) I remember as a kid hiking for 5 days in a row on supposed good CO public land never to find a fresh elk track let alone see an elk. Elk hunting can be alot of work to prepare for and when its game time, you may never get off the bench. I guide hunts for outfitters in CO and NM and know some of the people well that a guy needs to know to get in on some great hunting. Well, not really! I can't afford to pay the costs of elk hunts out west and believe me there are no free BEEZ or even reduced rates. When outfitters pay on average about 50% of what they charge to land owners for tags and or leases, I guess its understandable. Myself along with one buddy and my brother in law pack into a remote area that I have discovered and it really took 3-4 years to learn the place well. I'm talking about a pay your dues hunt 8-10 miles in. The cost, I really have not figured out. People sometimes can't place a value on taking care of and feeding horses year round. You just have to love what you do. I think people out west take for granted the country we live in, I try not to. Even things so common as a truck, which I didn't consider as a potential cost for some hunters, as that is all I have ever had to drive. That was an eye opener. LRH boys are particular and thorough. "A good thing"
One thing to consider before it is to late is using some money on premium draw units that will give you your best shot at finding elk. Try buying Lottery tickets for $25 for the Valles Caldera Trust here in NM. You can buy as many as you want even as a non resident. If you draw this hunt, you are sort of coached and introduced to the area you will hunt. Believe me you will find elk. You will also have opportunity to see legitimate 350 class bulls. Another great area is the Valle Vidal greenland unit. You can send me a PM if you need some names or help with some good honest outfitters that give you a real shot at a bull. That is something to think about and maybe still have time to book a hunt as NM results are out by April 24. Apps are due March 20th. If you can do a hunt with bow or smoke pole your odds of drawing will increase. Good Luck
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:53 PM
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Re: Burnt out and havent even booked

Try Sable Mountain Outfitters in Meeker. I think you'll be happy. Or so I have heard. Google them. Our game warden friend recommended them once a long time ago.

You can avoid a situation like ours, where we hunted DIY h.a.r.d. ( well hard for 50+yr olds ) and not even a shot at a elk or a muley buck, despite often having great tags. Now I HAVE had elk opps that I had to turn down for one reason or another, so I dont whine too loudly. My wife could have had a good 5x5 bull last fall but the young guys we hunted with refused to go with a woman who knows where the elk are and how they move. They chose instead to drive all over the county looking for a better spot. ( I cant climb up the mtn that high withher due to wore out knees.) So instead a friend from a previous season and another guy took two 5x5 out of there. So this year we are skipping elk in favor of muley hunts for us both and antelope hunt for me. I suspect we are done elk hunting for good.

Good luck on your journey.
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