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Old 01-05-2012, 09:27 PM
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The only 2 deer I've ever lost in over 20 years of hunting with rifle, bow, crossbow, handgun, were shot with Nosler Accubonds. Just sayin.

1 was shot at 45 yards, the other at 98.
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looks like we have run into a Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge. we have the Barnes, Sierra, and Nozzler votes. I guess I will need to do some reading up on the Nozler and the Barnes. I noticed we have not had anyone vote for the Bergers yet.
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Old 01-05-2012, 11:47 PM
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Went to Africa last May and used the 150 gr Barnes TTSX bullets. We killed 2 Kudu, Lechwe Impala Bushbuck and others. I think all were pass throughs. Have not recovered too many in the last few years that I have used then. Good bullets that work well. Elk this fall was a complete pass through and went perhaps 50 yards. Good luck. Bruce
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Old 01-06-2012, 05:18 AM
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Not exactly, the Barnes is a monolithic bullet, all copper construction, the Partition is a bonded bullet, constructed with a harder lead base, and a nose thats slightly softer whcih allows it to expand and peel back around the base. They are guarenteed to retain 60% of their original weight. They work as stated.
As my earlier post says I have used the Sierra's in the past, as well as the Barnes Original and TSX. The all copper bullets are infamous for deep penetration but not always great expansion. My experience with them has been exactly that.
Lots of people use the Bergers because they are typically very accurate. They are supposidly designed to penetrate a few inches then pretty much expand very rapidly and fragment. There have been more than a few reports of elk particulary, not laying down with a shoulder shot because while the bullet destroyed the shoulder meat and muscle it did not penetrate and break the shoulder bone. They apparently (I have not killed an animal with them) make quite a mess on the inside when they do what they are designed to do.
Thats my take on it with 50+ years in the field and lots of deer and elk on the ground!
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Old 01-06-2012, 11:31 AM
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looks like we have run into a Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge. we have the Barnes, Sierra, and Nozzler votes. I guess I will need to do some reading up on the Nozler and the Barnes. I noticed we have not had anyone vote for the Bergers yet.

You will always get the phard , Checy, dodge thing when you talk bullets on the net. Especially when elk are mentioned. And sometimes you get advice from people that have not even taken an elk, or have only taken one or two. Many comments come from what they have read on the net . Echo, echo, echo.

I will vote for Bergers and I have taken many many elk with them. Over seven this past season. All with my rifles or my sons. Plus several deer and antelope. I know how Bergers work, first hand and we didn't tarck one of these elk. In fact, I never have with bergers, but I sure have with bullets that have the reputation to not expand. I'll leave those brad names out.

The FACT is, with any bullet, you place it bad and YOU have screwed up on an elk. If you do place it poorly your only hope is a follow up shot or you better be using a bullet that both expands and fragments some of its weight off. That is what bergers do. Don't be mislead that the complete bullet goes into pieces. My experience is that it fragments off some and the rest passes through. For this reason and the fact I shoot at sometimes long distances I will choose a heavier weight for elk every time. For you, I recommend you use the 180 Hunting VLD for a 7 mag and do not shoot an elk past 900 yards. And only then if you are confident on great placement. That last line goes for any bullet at these distances. If you keep the shots with your 7mm from zero to 700 yards and put it in the crease behind the shoulder you will be golden. I have found at long distances I have the time to prepair for the shot in most cases. Unless I totally screwed up and spooked the game by walking in the open , skyliing on the way or ignoring the wind currents. Use this time to prepair and calm yourself for the shot. Also try to wait for a complete broadside shot or an angle that exits far shoulder. This is how you get the enjoyment of watching them fall and stay there.

So, you now have the vote for Bergers and from first hand experiences. Below I will post a few pics from this past season. Look for the placement on my sons small bull. It is perfect and the bull never stood up. All of these were Bergers in 30 cal and .338. Distances of 325 yards to past 800.

Above all,, enjoy the experience of hunting elk. Keep your head when the time comes and place it well. Good placement will more than make up for the differences in how each bullet will perform.

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100 yards recovered from gallon water jugs lined-up.
6mm Rem. 90 gr. E-tip - 30-06 165 gr. Accubond - 6mm Rem. 100 gr. Partition



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Old 01-06-2012, 01:02 PM
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Hi I live in Colorado and have seen many elk shoot with a 7mm Rem Mag. It is a very good elk gun. I have shot bulls with both 160 and 175 Sierra bullets plus 160 Partitions. They all worked very well. In 2010 I shot a large bull with 165 Accubonds at app. 2950 fps. and had to shoot him 5 times with 3 good engine room shots. Most of the hunters here use Winchester SuperX or Remington Core-Lokt factory ammo.

The Colorado DOW wrote in Colorado Outdoors the average bull killed weighs 437 pounds field dressed. You are not hunting 1000 pound animals and 90% of hunters will not see a 700 pound elk on public land. Most 160 or 175 grain bullets with a well placed shot will give you a fast humane kill. Good luck and good hunting.

FYI Retumbo, Ramshot Magnum and IMR 7828 will push a 175 close to 3000 fps. My 7mm has a 26 inch barrel and gets 3024 fps. with 69 grains of Retumbo.
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