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Old 03-06-2012, 08:16 PM
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7mm rum, berger 180, ELK

sendaro 7mm rum 180 gr berger at 3150fps ( 3000 ele) Any idea on problem with elk to close and max range for elk. My friend hunts with me at 8000 ft. he is worried about shoots close on elk. For the most part we will be shooting 400 to 800 but hunting is just that could be 100 or 1000. Read someplace on here a guy said something about hitting a elk in the shoulder on just blowing the hide off the bone. Any info is good info.
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Old 03-06-2012, 10:57 PM
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Re: 7mm rum, berger 180, ELK

This is the same load that I use. Have shot five elk so far with it. All quick one shot kills. Closet one was 200, the farthest was 660. I personally don't take shoulder shots, All have been thru the lungs some with ribs some without. All shots passed thru from one side to the next. IMHO this is one fine load.
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Old 03-10-2012, 01:32 PM
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Re: 7mm rum, berger 180, ELK

Go with a bonded bullet, like the 160gr accubond they should run in the 3300 fps range (est) i ran the numbers through my nightforce program with a 200 yard zero and the 160 out performs the berger in drop, wind drift, and energy out to a 1000 yards. velocitys were roughly the same both were a little over 2050fps at a grand. The best part about the Accubond is you wont have to worry about close shots, far shots quartering shots, frontal shots, through the shoulder shots, and the list goes on on. Get ahold of Kirby Allen, he's running the accubond in his 7 AM at i think around 3500 fps (dont quote me on that) and having phenomenal results at all ranges, also check out Matrix Bullets there design is like the berger but there bonded not fused like bergers so they'll hold up better like the Accubond. The bergers are sweet at long range and work great at long range, but remember they were built for target shooting and weather they say "hunting" or "target" on the box there the same thing. I prefer the high shoulder shot on everything i hunt, puts em down in there tracks no tracking required end of story you dont have to worry if the animals body is twisted a little and end up getting guts and losing the animal because your worried about your bullet not performing and maybe losing a fistfull of meat. Ive seen first hand what happens when you shoot an elk with target bullets (300 gr SMK) at close range and it aint pretty.
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Old 03-10-2012, 02:35 PM
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Re: 7mm rum, berger 180, ELK

The Matrix VLD's aren't bonded but they do make bonded bullets with lower BC's.
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Old 03-10-2012, 05:08 PM
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Re: 7mm rum, berger 180, ELK

Here is what you get at close range brush shot, 300 otm, next is 200 yrd, shot each end of elk hind 1/4 bone. Bone was held on 1/2 osb target at range w/wire and blew the whole bone threw back with about a grapefruit sized hole, mass destruction and bone everywhere. If it can do that at 200? Why not closer
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Old 03-10-2012, 08:03 PM
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Re: 7mm rum, berger 180, ELK

Sorry my bad, i thought that all matrix bullets were bonded, and all tests ive done with bullets vs hard inanimate objects such as blocks of wood or dirt banks or wet news paper blocks etc etc..usually dosent really tell me anything other than the ability for the bullet to hold together, and penetration, really there is no way to test a bullet like in an animal, and when you say that at 200 yards the hole through the OSB was the size of a grape fruit tells me that the bullet turned into a grenade as soon as it hit the bone and that cant be good, i have just seen what a sierra 300 gr does on the shoulder of a bull elk at close range, shear disappointment. I have yet to have the chance to try any 300gr OTM's on animals at any range under 350yards other than a freind of mine shooting a bull in the neck at 80 yards with my rifle and it dropped it, so it worked.
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Old 03-10-2012, 10:27 PM
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Re: 7mm rum, berger 180, ELK

If you cruise around on the web you will find a "wide" variation in experieces with the Bergers and other mono bullets. You will not find near the variation with the AB or Nosler PT. I have not killed with the AB or Berger but have with the Barnes, after 50 years of use I prefer the PT for one reason it works. !!
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