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Old 02-09-2010, 09:19 PM
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Re: 460 wby "ok for Elk"???

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I thought about taking the accubrake or sending it to a machine shop i know who make chokes etc and have them making a longer version with more gas ports?.
Longer shot i know of with a .458 bullet is 1750 yards . 45/70 350 grain 2100 fps solid out of a sharps replica .I know if a 45/70 can do it a 460 can do it faster therefore more accurate. How about this @ 3200 fps ?

Hornady LEVERevolution Bullets 458 Caliber (458 Diameter) 325 Grain Flex Tip eXpanding Box of 50 - MidwayUSA
I have also machined some of the 500gr banded solids and the triple shock Barnes a
after placeing a secant ojive and a boat tail on the solids they weighed 425 grains, The
Barnes triple shocks ended up at 450grs. I was experimenting with a 45/120 sharps
for long range and they out shot all other available bullets.

Also I did the same thing to some 400 grain 416 bullets and they were phenomenal
and shot the best group in my life (.034 center to center @ 100 yards).

So if you know anyone that is a good machinist you could make some bullets that had
some good BCs. (The 500 triple shock has a BC of .526) and if you boat tailed them it
should get a little better.)

Most people find it hard to even get a 1000 yard shot on Elk so being practical I would
think it would work very well on Elk and as for the tissue damage there is normally
much less with big bullets .

And by the way the Hornady leverevolution bullets don't hold up at such high velocities
because the are designed for 2500ft/sec and down (Impact velocities are normally below
2000 ft/sec)

PS: the accubrake is a baffled/chambered type brake and is reported to reduce recoil
by 54%. I don't know how accurate those % are but I do know they really work because
I removed one from an accumark in 30/378 and fired it and there was a tremendous
difference in recoil.

If you want one buy one.

Just my 2 cents

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Re: 460 wby "ok for Elk"???

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I have also machined some of the 500gr banded solids and the triple shock Barnes a
after placeing a secant ojive and a boat tail on the solids they weighed 425 grains, The
Barnes triple shocks ended up at 450grs. I was experimenting with a 45/120 sharps
for long range and they out shot all other available bullets.

Also I did the same thing to some 400 grain 416 bullets and they were phenomenal
and shot the best group in my life (.034 center to center @ 100 yards).

So if you know anyone that is a good machinist you could make some bullets that had
some good BCs. (The 500 triple shock has a BC of .526) and if you boat tailed them it
should get a little better.)

Most people find it hard to even get a 1000 yard shot on Elk so being practical I would
think it would work very well on Elk and as for the tissue damage there is normally
much less with big bullets .

And by the way the Hornady leverevolution bullets don't hold up at such high velocities
because the are designed for 2500ft/sec and down (Impact velocities are normally below
2000 ft/sec)

PS: the accubrake is a baffled/chambered type brake and is reported to reduce recoil
by 54%. I don't know how accurate those % are but I do know they really work because
I removed one from an accumark in 30/378 and fired it and there was a tremendous
difference in recoil.

If you want one buy one.

Just my 2 cents

J E CUSTOM

yeah with out a breal the 30-378 has 50- somthing ft lbs of recoil.Thanks i didnt know about the lever evolution's.



couple good structured .458 bullets perhaps ?

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know i dont think the 525's will fit in the magazine or not but the 300 grains dont look bad eh?
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yeah with out a breal the 30-378 has 50- somthing ft lbs of recoil.Thanks i didnt know about the lever evolution's.



couple good structured .458 bullets perhaps ?

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know i dont think the 525's will fit in the magazine or not but the 300 grains dont look bad eh?
Those 528grain match bullets should work, as a matter of fact I'm going to try some myself.

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Old 02-11-2010, 03:35 AM
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Re: 460 wby "ok for Elk"???

look what i just found


Barnes Tipped Triple-Shock X Bullets 458 SOCOM (458 Diameter) 300 Grain Spitzer Boat Tail Lead-Free Box of 50 - MidwayUSA


think these hold up @ higher velocity than the lever evolutions ?

or

http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/Brow...*&brandId=2166


also is that a new bullet for 2010?

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Re: 460 wby "ok for Elk"???

They are solid copper with a cavity, and should easily handle 3100 fps and the .460 twist (1 in 16"). Looks like a very good candidate. If I can get the G1 B/C., I'll run the exterior ballistics on it.
It must be brand new. I didn't see them listed even a week ago.

I've been emailing back and forth with Dave at Lehigh Bullets. The 528 gr bullet is intended for the .460 Steyr ( a necked down and shortened 50 BMG case), and is too long to stabilize in the Wby 16 twist at .460 velocities. I appreciate the time he took answering my emails, but it looks like a dead end. Other companies make 300 and 350 gr spitzer flat base bullets, so no advantage in his 300gr that I can see.

I'll order some of the tipped T-shok 300's and try them as soon as I can. They should be good for as light as they are. I wish they made a 400 or 500 grainer.

Keep digging.

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Re: 460 wby "ok for Elk"???

Just talked to a Tech at Barnes. He recommended the T-shok flat base that has a .234 B/C. It has a secant ogive and is a little longer than the 300 tipped Socom bullet, with more body length in contact with the rifling. Also, it is designed for higher velocities than the tipped bullet. The tipped bullet has a B/C of .236, essentially identical to the flat base bullet. Probably both are worth trying out.

I'll run the exterior ballistics sometime today or tonight.

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Re: 460 wby "ok for Elk"???

The best long range caliber off the 460 case may be the standard 378 wby. I have been playing a little with my 378 wby using the 350 grain SMK's with a BC in the mid .7's. I have a load that pushes them in the 2900 fps range. It is very accurate and the downrange power is amazing. The only thing I have that can stay with it at long range is a 338-378 wby with the 300 SMK.

Everyone is always looking for the best all around elk rifle and the 460 wby could be made a good argument. As a timber elk rifle you just point and shoot. Don't worry about the saplings between you and the elk. It kills your elk and takes down a half cord of firewood for the campfire at the same time. Good all around elk rifle.

I do not think it is overkill for elk as many as I have seen lost and chased all over the mountains with wimpy 7mm rem mags. With that Barnes bullet you found I think it would actually be a better choice than many I see discussed on here.
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