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Old 08-06-2013, 02:50 PM
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Re: 300 Win Mag.........................Perfect for Elk?

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With elk Diameter and weight are your friends. bigger the better
+100 But hey, we only kill a couple dozen a year.

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+100 But hey, we only kill a couple dozen a year.

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True we haven't even hit the hundreds yet
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Re: 300 Win Mag.........................Perfect for Elk?

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I have yet to settle on my next rifle build and I know that nothing is perfect. I first settled on a Cooper Mdl 52 Excaliber in .280AI 168gr Berger close to 3,000fps

Then after realizing that with practice and good equipment shots at 600 yards are possible...........I have been considering the 300 Win Mag.
I used a borrowed 300 some years ago to hunt ELk with. It had a MB on it and the recoil did not bother me at all. I finished that hunt with a lot of respect for Elk, like I mentioned before my bull took a 180gr right behind the shoulder, broke the far shoulder and still he went 100 yards before looking back and then going down. The Remington 700 was not much heavyer than my .243

For those who know..............without having to look up all the info right now, does the 300 Win Mag have a lot more going for it than a .280 AI ..........I realize that there is the aspect of shooting a heavier bullet. It appears the the .280 with the 168 Berger has a lot going for it also. According to Darrel Holland he mentioned on his Web sight that the .280 is very close to the 300 in performance. 32gr more of bullet weight................with a 200gr can make a big difference.?
I need a little pushing in the right direction. Mentally I would feel better with a 300 on an Elk hunt, and would have a huge edge in reach on Deer when I get to the place where I would feel confident shooting out to 600 yards. Do the the bigger bullets in the 300 offer a lot more in SD and BC over the 168 .284?

I should mention it more ...............I do appreciate all the feed back you guy give, your field experiance means a lot more than balliistic tables.

Greg
In case you're interested, I do have a NIB SS Sub MOA Weatherby Vanguard 300 WBY for sale. I bought the rifle to use the action and stock for a build but decided to go a different direction. It has a factory shot 3 shot target that measures about 0.4". It has a 24" sporter barrel, so not as efficient as a 26" barrel. It's not what I would recommend for 1K shooting but it should do fine to 600 or more and it's medium weight. It's going to have some recoil so you could install a brake for about $200 or learn to shoot it without a brake.

ARMSLIST - For Sale: Sub MOA Vanguard 300 Weatherby Mag Tack Driver

http://www.longrangehunting.com/foru...by-mag-115373/
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Old 08-09-2013, 12:50 AM
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Re: 300 Win Mag.........................Perfect for Elk?

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Ask elk guides what they would like to see their hunters use and it won't be a 7mm.

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Okay, I'll bite on this one.
I've guided, or outfitted, elk hunters for over 30 years now. My suggestion to clients is NOT to use a .300 magnum unless they are already well seasoned with it and can handle the recoil.
If they are determined to use a magnum I STRONGLY suggest a 7 mag. Wonderful round, very capable for elk, and most guys who shoot regularly can master it. Note I say MASTER, not just sling lead.

I really prefer to see clients bring the deer rifle they already shoot well. Shot placement is where it's at. Most hunters simply can't handle the recoil of a .300. Most hunters don't have the skill to use the .308 to its' full potential. The vast majority of elk are shot at under 200 yards.

The value in a magnum is increased range. If you're not shooting past 4 or 500 yards there is no need for a magnum. The old '06 and 270 work great.

Remember guys, most of us on this site do not represent the average hunter... we shoot a lot and can use a magnum to its' full potential.
Even so there are some on here, myself included, who prefer a gun with less recoil.

That said I have owned a number of magnums, including 3-.300's. I would suggest if using these rounds don't waste it on 180 gr bullets, yer '06 can handle them just fine. Use 200's or heavier.
I shot a .300 Jarrett until it was shot out, and I can tell you that 200 gr bullets at 3000 fps are amazingly powerful elk killing projectiles.
I just don't bother with them anymore because I don't need that kind of recoil and blast to kill elk. Oh, I did use a brake because I don't care for heavy recoil. Now I don't care for brakes either.

One more thing, before the argument starts about needing to be able so shoot at that angle where you need to be able to shoot through him end to end to reach the vitals, I guess I'm old school alright. I learned, and still advocate, taking only good shots with reasonable angles. Shooting an elk up the ass is a crappy shot and I don't care what you are shooting. It just makes a mess out of a fine animal, and even with a big magnum there is way too much chance for an awful wound that kills a fine game animal after he has escaped. It's a shot I would be embarrassed to admit I had taken.
Remember, it's hunting, not life and death for us, the hunters.
I don't let my clients take poor shots.
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Re: 300 Win Mag.........................Perfect for Elk?

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One more thing, before the argument starts about needing to be able so shoot at that angle where you need to be able to shoot through him end to end to reach the vitals, I guess I'm old school alright. I learned, and still advocate, taking only good shots with reasonable angles. Shooting an elk up the ass is a crappy shot and I don't care what you are shooting. It just makes a mess out of a fine animal, and even with a big magnum there is way too much chance for an awful wound that kills a fine game animal after he has escaped. It's a shot I would be embarrassed to admit I had taken.
Remember, it's hunting, not life and death for us, the hunters.
I don't let my clients take poor shots.
Okay I'll bite on this one.
You had me in agreement until the end. Maybe not in Colorado, but there are places if you want to see the front end of an elk, you'll need to shoot the ass end. With proper loads its very lethal and disabling. I've done it, feel no shame, and I'd do it again.
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Old 08-11-2013, 09:52 PM
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Re: 300 Win Mag.........................Perfect for Elk?

Okay, I can see your point. I have seen the north end of a south bound elk many times in thick foliage. Having never hunted in your neck of the woods perhaps this is the shot you get.
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Old 08-12-2013, 03:30 AM
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Re: 300 Win Mag.........................Perfect for Elk?

I should clarify also, I'm not talking hail mary shots, brush shots, or brush bucking bullets.
Properly armed to me in that situation, starts with well constructed 220 grain .30 caliber bullets. The H&H .375 has worked for me best, most 300 grainers will work, but I ended up with 350 grain Barnes Originals. The only elk I shot with those was a cripple (someone else's) I shot in the back of the head, no real test. An example of a shot I didn't take was my first BC moose hunt. The wind came up before I got there and didn't stop until after I left. Flight canceling, hat chasing, the 3 stooges tying a brick to the horses tail and still getting smacked wind. The moose all disappeared into the thick stuff. We tracked and circled every day with moose 50 yards ahead. The trouble was I took a picture of our tied horses at that range, and no horses are in the picture. My one look at a moose was the south end, going north while I had moose in the scope, but before the crosshairs settled, the brush crashed closed behind him, and I let it go. If we had seen a moose on the far side of a meadow that trip, the wind was high enough to make that a low percentage shot I would not have taken either. I'm no longer agile enough, or narrow enough to play in the Pacific Northwest Jungles anymore. LOL
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