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Old 12-31-2013, 02:59 PM
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Re: 30.06 plenty gun for elk?

To explain what I mean, here is an example of the 180gr Accubond at 2,800fps versus the 200gr Accubond at 2,650fps, which seem to be around the high end for both. At 8,000 feet, 40 degrees, and a 5 mph crosswind, here are the numbers at 775 yards (minimum expansion at 1,800fps is why I chose this):

180: 1,817fps, 1,319ft/lbs energy, 17.7" of wind drift, 133.7" of drop

200: 1,816fps, 1,465ft/lbs energy, 16.1" of wind drift, 145" of drop

Based on this, you can see they are very close. If one bullet shoots better than the other, the differences are very minor. In this case, if both shot the same, you obviously take the 200gr for the extra energy and slightly less wind drift.

Just an example, but that is why the '06 doesn't really need much over the 180-200 grain range.
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Old 12-31-2013, 03:32 PM
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Re: 30.06 plenty gun for elk?

Ranthon, where in Az. are you? There are shops in the Phx. area you may find the Accubond LR bullets. If you are in the Phx. area PM me and I have some 200 gr Accubonds. H4350 is a little hard to find here, you will have to check several places often to find it. Good luck
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Old 12-31-2013, 03:37 PM
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Re: 30.06 plenty gun for elk?

Have been using the 30-06 for 40+ years and have taken enough mule deer and elk to fill a warehouse. Most of those were taken with the 150gr Hornady Spire Point at 3000fps 300 yards and in. Now that I'm older and don't pound it like I used to I've upgraded the Pre 64 Win so I can shoot to its full capability.

Have used both the 200gr Accubond and the 190gr Berger. Have taken about 7 deer and elk between 400 and 500 yards. One of the bulls had to be hit again and that was with the Accubond but it performed well. A bull two seasons ago at 489 yards is the longest so far on elk and it took one step and went down. That load is 190gr Berger Hunting VLD 53gr RL17 at 2707fps and is the most accurate I have found with that rifle to date. I shoot that load out to 800 yards on a regular bases. The limits with this load are 660 yards where it reaches the 1500 ft lb of energy for elk and 720 yards where the velocity drops to 1800 fps need for proper expansion.

If you want to go farther you would need to step up from the 06. Last season I ranged a very good bull at 874 yards and there was no way I could close the distance so am in the process of building a 300 WM and will use the 215gr Berger's. That will get me to a 1000 yards or better if needed. Next year that bull might be in trouble.

So yeah the 30-06 is a very capable deer and elk rifle but has its limit as does everything. Good luck to you.
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Old 12-31-2013, 03:41 PM
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Re: 30.06 plenty gun for elk?

For me of the of numbers posted terminal velocity is important, energy is difficult to establish a cause and effect link between it and lethality, wind drift is a wash, and I'm going to dial drop, or have a reticle with calibrated aiming points.

What isn't in the numbers is length of wound channel, and effect on bone when it's in the equation. Both of these go to the 200 grain bullet. I would agree the 30-06 is better described as a medium range cartridge, but within its limits my experience favors the 200 grain bullets.

Mike has a bunch more current experience with the Barnes bullets do. He's persuaded me I need to give them another look. I was going to buy a box of .338 from this site and he beat me to them (LOL). I would still likely go 200 grains in .308 caliber. Too many years ago a friend put an early X bullet from a .300 Winchester length wise in a whitetail spine, it smashed a lot of bone before it stopped.

I'm probably just an old dog, but I have seen the 180's perform great and still not break a shoulder on elk, moose, and hogs.

I'm not saying the 180's are inadequate, just the 200's in any bullet style are a little more so in my opinion
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Old 12-31-2013, 03:45 PM
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Re: 30.06 plenty gun for elk?

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Have been using the 30-06 for 40+ years and have taken enough mule deer and elk to fill a warehouse. Most of those were taken with the 150gr Hornady Spire Point at 3000fps 300 yards and in. Now that I'm older and don't pound it like I used to I've upgraded the Pre 64 Win so I can shoot to its full capability.

Have used both the 200gr Accubond and the 190gr Berger. Have taken about 7 deer and elk between 400 and 500 yards. One of the bulls had to be hit again and that was with the Accubond but it performed well. A bull two seasons ago at 489 yards is the longest so far on elk and it took one step and went down. That load is 190gr Berger Hunting VLD 53gr RL17 at 2707fps and is the most accurate I have found with that rifle to date. I shoot that load out to 800 yards on a regular bases. The limits with this load are 660 yards where it reaches the 1500 ft lb of energy for elk and 720 yards where the velocity drops to 1800 fps need for proper expansion.

If you want to go farther you would need to step up from the 06. Last season I ranged a very good bull at 874 yards and there was no way I could close the distance so am in the process of building a 300 WM and will use the 215gr Berger's. That will get me to a 1000 yards or better if needed. Next year that bull might be in trouble.

So yeah the 30-06 is a very capable deer and elk rifle but has its limit as does everything. Good luck to you.
Well said!
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Old 12-31-2013, 07:00 PM
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Re: 30.06 plenty gun for elk?

I was wounder ing same thing but with .308 shot my spike elk at 55-60 yds can't member igzactly but 165 gr sst cronoed at 2895 went in one side and looked like a tic on other shot twice first gave it massive hart attack sec hit right long went 10 fr droped
But I was on same page what if it was a few 100 yds would it work ... No blood came out if shoot wasn't spot on would I be able to find it ?? Was think of a 338 for long shots on next trip but dunno
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Old 12-31-2013, 08:08 PM
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Re: 30.06 plenty gun for elk?

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I was wounder ing same thing but with .308 shot my spike elk at 55-60 yds can't member igzactly but 165 gr sst cronoed at 2895 went in one side and looked like a tic on other shot twice first gave it massive hart attack sec hit right long went 10 fr droped
But I was on same page what if it was a few 100 yds would it work ... No blood came out if shoot wasn't spot on would I be able to find it ?? Was think of a 338 for long shots on next trip but dunno
I can't tell if you're saying the SST didn't expand, which would be considered unusual to me for the situation you describe, or it expanded rapidly and penetration was not great.
What did the vitals look like?

On the shot you describe it could just be elk nature, sometimes they don't give up easy. Your's was dead in 10 feet, that doesn't sound like a failure, even with a second shot that may or not have been necessary. I would shoot again as long as they are standing also.

Bullet failure can occur with any of them. Yes I prefer exit holes, it generally makes following up easier. Are there choices that move the percentages more in your favor I believe so.

The .338's are great elk cartridges, but there are more than a few good ones between a .308 and the .338's.

Bullets are more generally misapplied than fail.

The more specifics in terms of goals and expectations you list the better your choices get.
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