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Unread 12-09-2011, 11:12 AM
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Re: Dog Hunters

Originally Posted by LRSickle View Post
Why did he get in trouble for shooting dogs on his own property? And why was it a felony charge?
Most states that allow hunting with any type of dog has what is called an "open cast law" This means as long as you cast the dogs on land you have legal right / permission to hunt you are good. Dogs that run or wonder onto private lands are protected unless they are doing damage to private property or livestock.

This does not give the dog owner legal right to hunt the property. It is just to protect his dog. The dog owner needs to obtain permission to go on to private land "un armed" to retrieve the dog. If permission is not granted he should wait for the dog to come out or contact the Sherriff or a Game Warden for help.

I have ran hounds for years and have had a few instances with upset land owners. Most of the time it is somone that only ownes a small parcel. The last instance was a guy with 80 acres. He was observed leading the dog off the road to his shed. When we asked if he had seen the dog he became violant and we called the law. It was discovered he led the dog behind the shed by the collar and shot it in the head with a 22. He then removed the tracking collar from the dog and took it into the shed and smashed it with a hammer.

It went to court and the dog killer payed the owner $4000 for the lost dog. That was cheap if you ask me. I raised that dog and trained it. I still have 9 trophies from him placing in field trials. $4000 was the sale price of the dog when I sold him.

You just can't shoot a dog for no reason. But the law will protect the property owners if damage is done. Think about it. As said above, it could be a bird dog, hound, or just a wondering dog that was out with owners for a walk and strayed on to private ground. The dogs do not know boundries.

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Unread 12-09-2011, 05:00 PM
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Re: Dog Hunters

Thanks Jeff. As much as I love my two dogs, It would kill me to have one of them taken from me. I just had no idea what the laws were.
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Unread 12-10-2011, 09:18 AM
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Re: Dog Hunters

Dog hunting in south Georgia is quite a site if you've never seen it before. Basically its a poorly organized off-road race that involves shaking every bolt loose on your truck as you race down dirt roads with a loaded 12ga chasing a 60lb yearling spike. Im not a fan but it is very popular here and surely a major reason for our crappy deer heard. Its not a selective way to hunt, more like shoot anything you see. Running dogs is surely the reason for our poor deer heard and nocturnal deer movement.
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Unread 12-11-2011, 10:50 AM
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Re: Dog Hunters

there are good reasons to hunt with dogs ie wild hogs, control deer drives, My problems isnt those, its the good ole boys in a truck who drop off a couple with dogs and they go thru a place & then have bud pick the up or they run dogs with tracking &shock collers to steer them thru your prop to flush the deer no men around, fish & game knows them but you have to see&catch w/game. mean while there goes the feed trail prep &all the time. what would you do.
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Unread 12-16-2011, 02:54 AM
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Re: Dog Hunters

Ill be headed out in just a couple hours to go load my dogs and try to kill a deer. Only a dog hunter would work 12 hours then leave work to go run dogs until dark the next day just to try and kill a deer. As for running dogs with tracking collars and shock collars yes I do but Ive never had a deer go where I want it to because I use a shock collar to shock my dog in the direction I want him to go, the dog is going to follow the scent of the deer.............. Only people that have ever run dogs will understand the mentality of why we do it, when the dogs are coming straight at you the deer they are running has horn until you actually see it and sometimes it does have horns.

I have to agree on some levels that it is not a great management tool for trophy deer, but that is also up to the local G&F department to enforce the regulations on horn size.

I have personally talked to G&F biologists that say on privately owned hunting leases that allow dog hunting the age structure of the deer is older than on still hunt leases owned by the same company, where the moto is if its brown its down. You dont always kill every buck you run with the dogs hell sometimes you never even see the deer.

Ill take my dog hunting over still hunting any day as long as there is a place to do it. I have over 600,000 acres of National Forest within 10 minutes of me that will be my stomping grounds for a long time to come.

If I ever caught some SOB killing my dogs there would be more than court costs and fines coming his way, I would probably even have a court date myself when everything was said and done.
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Unread 12-16-2011, 11:52 AM
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Well this ought to piss some of you off. I run humans with hounds, there is nothing in the world that will get your motor running like following a pack of hounds running hot and closing on an armed man.
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Unread 12-16-2011, 05:21 PM
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This is one of those threads that reminds me that different folks use different techniques to hunt in different parts of the country. In Wyoming it is illegal to hunt "big game" with dogs. In fact, an "unattended" dog x-miles from the owners domicile is actually classified as a predator. If your dog is chasing a deer on private property you just need to be thankful if it doesn't get shot, in or out of season. Not saying that is good or bad, right or wrong, it just is...
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