Originally Posted by 300 ultra
I just arrived back from Wyoming on my Deer hunt and wanted to let everyone know my experience with Barnes TSX Bullets. I shot my deer with my remy Mountain rifle in 270 win loaded with a stout amount of 4350 and 140 gr TSX. I shot him at 171 yards through both lungs and he took off like he wasnt even hit. He ran 100 yards before falling over but flopped around and didnt die for a long time. When I gutted him out the hole in each of the lungs was a size of a pencel. I found the bullet in the off side and the bullet had no expansion what so ever. I couldnt beleive it. So to say that I will not ever use Barnes bullets again is an understatement. Avoid them like the plague. I am very dissapointed and am actually sending the bullet to barnes with a similar article. I will put of pics of the bullet once I have more time.
I've spent over 20 years of my life (off and on) guiding antelope and deer hunters in Wyoming. I've seen many mind boggling acts made by perfectly hit animals. I've also seen many animals drop dead in their tracks due to hits that probably should've only wounded them.
The only way to absolutely gaurantee a Drop Dead impact, regardless of bullet or caliber, is to take out the shoulders or shock the spine enough to paralize them until the wound itself causes death. Frontal spine or neck/head shots almost always create the drop dead effect. I've seen many many animals run off with a perfect lung hit, and most don't go 100 yds, but it's not totally uncommon for them to go that far either..........Once again; many calibers, many bullets, many hunters and many years of seeing game shot.
The pictures of the bullet appear to show that it did in fact expand. Enough even to break off the petals (which should have created additional small would channels). If it was recovered inside the animal, then it transfered every bit of energy it had to the animal.
I'd think that the 270 and 140 gr bullet at 171 yds has more than enough energy to kill any animal in the lower 48, providing that the bullet was going as fast as it really should have been..........Were the loads ever chrono'd?
IMO, this wasn't a bullet failure. Finding the bullet in a dirt bank still looking nearly like it did before the shot and finding the animal a 1/4 mile away with a hole in each lung would be a bullet failure to me. In contrast, hitting the shoulder blade but only wounding the shoulder would also be considered a bullet failure in my opinion (not enough penetration).
Any and all bullets can fail, none are perfect. Some fail more often than others, but my experiences with Barnes hasn't shown that to be the case.
I think the most important thing for the barnes bullets are to ensure they are going fast enough to do as designed. They aren't designed to come totally apart or fragment and only retain a small portion of their original weight. They are a "high retention" bullet.
Sorry to be so long winded, I'd be curious to hear what Barnes reply is if you wouldn't mind?