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Old 08-04-2011, 03:55 AM
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Re: 223 for Deer

Looks like SpencerSS covered that pretty well,IMO the 223 ought to do pretty well with the right bullet.
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Old 08-04-2011, 11:21 AM
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Re: 223 for Deer

Had a good conversation with a friend last week about this very subject. His children are older than mine and here is the method he used that I think makes great sense: teach the child to shoot lights out with a bolt action .22 and scope (hopefully they already know how to use iron sights!!). Breathing, trigger control, proper mounting, shooting off a stand rail etc. are easily accomplished with the .22 and a lot of fun. When the season opens, get in the stand with them, load and hand them a .243, possibly with reduced recoil rounds, and let them take a shot inside of 100 yards, no further. Adrenalin takes over, rifle does its job, there is not much recoil anyway, and you have a dead deer and an exicted kid. Game over. If the child can't handle the above then, IMHO, the child is too young to hunt. There is nothing wrong with waiting a year and they don't have to kill the first time or all the time.
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Old 08-04-2011, 04:09 PM
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Re: 223 for Deer

Good post Boom and I agree with you 1000%. If they can't handle the recoil of a piddly .243 to shoot a deer, IMHO they are too small or young to hunt. The 223 isn't even legal to hunt big game with in the majority of states.
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Old 08-04-2011, 05:33 PM
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used to be we waited till a kid could hunt and shoot and shoot a deer gun before they got to shoot a deer. it was an important part of becoming a hunter dreaming and schemeing and planning for years to get my own deer. now a 5yr old wants a deer and dads sole mission in life is 'anything your heart desires son-you name it i'll die getting it for you' attitude. no waiting but instantaneous gratification. what kid really just has to kill a deer before they can shoot a 243? those 7 mags are good for long shots, though.
This sums up my thoughts fairly well. We skip over too much of the basics. A kid should go through the steps, BB gun, 22, etc. I've started a few kids, I never met one yet that wouldn't prefer a trip to a PD town over deer hunting. I'm betting most of us were just beside ourselves to be invited out with the men at this point in our development.
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Old 08-04-2011, 06:09 PM
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Re: 223 for Deer

Must agree. If its at close range, no problem with a well placed shot.
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Old 08-05-2011, 09:07 AM
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used to be we waited till a kid could hunt and shoot and shoot a deer gun before they got to shoot a deer. it was an important part of becoming a hunter dreaming and schemeing and planning for years to get my own deer. now a 5yr old wants a deer and dads sole mission in life is 'anything your heart desires son-you name it i'll die getting it for you' attitude. no waiting but instantaneous gratification. what kid really just has to kill a deer before they can shoot a 243? those 7 mags are good for long shots, though.

I'm all for good parenting and traditional values, but that doesn't change the capabilities of the small bores. I do however agree with the need for greater care in their use; therefore the skill of the shooter must be considered when choising a cartrige.
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Old 08-06-2011, 01:30 PM
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Re: 223 for Deer

Those wounds look pretty similar to the wounds I have seen so many times when butchering caribou shot with m193 ammo. Even 223 fmj is plenty lethal on deer size game as long as the velocity is high enough to make it wickedly destabilize and turn into a meat grinder. FMJs might even be better than a lot of soft points because they seem to penetrate a little deeper before they do their real damage. Again, even 55 grain fmj will work fine on deer size game, I have seen it hundreds of times just make sure you put the bullet in the right place and no worries.
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