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Old 02-24-2011, 08:09 AM
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Has anyone bought a Howa in the last year?

I'm just wondering if anyone has bought a Howa in the last year? If so are you happy with it, does it shoot, do you have any issues at all with it?

The reason I ask is I'm getting one in 22.250 HB and have heard there may be quality issues re the barrels and bolts?

So I thought I would put it out there and see what you guys who have bought within the last year have to say about them.

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Old 02-27-2011, 02:57 PM
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Re: Has anyone bought a Howa in the last year?

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I'm just wondering if anyone has bought a Howa in the last year? If so are you happy with it, does it shoot, do you have any issues at all with it?

The reason I ask is I'm getting one in 22.250 HB and have heard there may be quality issues re the barrels and bolts?

So I thought I would put it out there and see what you guys who have bought within the last year have to say about them.

Cheers
No I haven't bought one and never will.
Sorry to speak the truth, but what do you expect for around $500, they are a cheap investment casting, they are heavy and they are a heap of **** from what some of my mates have experienced.
If you have a boat then use one as a boat anchor.
Change your order to a Tikka T3 and you won't be disappointed.
Sorry as I don't mean to offend you.
Have a good day.

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Old 02-27-2011, 03:10 PM
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Re: Has anyone bought a Howa in the last year?

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No I haven't bought one and never will.
What do you expect for around $500, they are a cheap investment casting, heavy and a heap of **** from what some of my mates have experienced.
If you have a boat then use it as a boat anchor.
Change your order to a Tikka T3 and you won't be disappointed.
Sorry as I don't mean to offend you.
Have a good day.
Well, you may need to find some new mates!

Howa's have long been known to be at the top of the list for best out of the box accuracy from any manufacturer. You do realize the Weatherby Vanguards are Howa actions and barrels right?

And since when does weight negatively affect accuracy?

While I can't vouch for what may be a recent drop in QC, my Howas are a few years old so I don't know of any recent issues, I can promise that in general the explictives you spouted do not belong attached to the Howa.

Unless you hear otherwise I would encourage you to look at Howa or Savage for a very good shooter out of the box.
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Old 02-28-2011, 08:57 PM
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Re: Has anyone bought a Howa in the last year?

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Well, you may need to find some new mates!

Howa's have long been known to be at the top of the list for best out of the box accuracy from any manufacturer. You do realize the Weatherby Vanguards are Howa actions and barrels right?

And since when does weight negatively affect accuracy?

While I can't vouch for what may be a recent drop in QC, my Howas are a few years old so I don't know of any recent issues, I can promise that in general the explictives you spouted do not belong attached to the Howa.

Unless you hear otherwise I would encourage you to look at Howa or Savage for a very good shooter out of the box.

Dear Scot E,

It seems as if I have stepped on an ingrown toe nail here judging by your misaligned comments.

Please allow me to respond and clear your mind on a few issues here.

1. You obviously have not paid attention to opening lines where our forum friend asked this....and by the way I have underlined the pertinent bits just for you.

I'm just wondering if anyone has bought a Howa in the last year?
If so are you happy with it, does it shoot, do you have any issues at all with it?
We are supposed to discuss Howas purchased in the last year and any issues with them, not several years ago like you did.
I thought I honestly addressed his question and gave him an honest comment. You will see this and more should you wish to continue reading as all shall be revealed, even to someone who is as "one eyed" as you.

2. Your opening comment states....

"Well, you may need to find some new mates! "

Did my comments disassociate you from me. Well I never considered you as a mate and nor would I give you that privelege of being one for that matter. Nothing lost there in my opinion.

3. Howa have NEVER been top of the list for most accurate factory rifle out of the box. Was this in your dreams?

4. I DO KNOW the Weatherby Vanguards are Howa actions and barrels. However what you possibly fail to realise is that Weatherby Inc. has a high standard of quality acceptance and there is no way these crappy ones would get past the Weatherby gate post.....right? Unlike you I can afford the more expensive Weatherby MK5 Accumarks and know what high quality Weatherby rifles are about. I don't buy bargain basement rifles unlike you.

5. I never made mention of ..."weight negatively affect(ing) accuracy"
You made that assumption/assertion.
I implied that they are heavy to carry about.
So kindly get your hand off your piece of manhood and get your facts right first before you open up on me with all guns blazing.

6. For your information here are some facts you should learn about or need to know.....

The Howas of yesteryear were a very good rifle and were very well put together and Howa lived upon that reputation for quite a long time, however of late there have been too many issues with their drop in quality and workmanship which has resulted in some pretty poorly manufactured rifles. Some have had actions even blow up with magnum cartridges.
A hunting friend of mine just recently bought a 338 WinMag and could not get this thing to shoot no matter what factory ammo he tried. It produced groups of 4” and worse.
His brother “TopShot” a member on this forum even handloaded ammunition with various powders and projectile combinations and seating depths, yet despite all that he could not get that mean son of a bitch rifle to shoot at all.
Upon careful examination of the machining of the receiver and barrel with the naked eye and with a bore scope it was revealed how badly manufactured this rifle really was.
So much for quality and workmanship from modern day Howa.
If this is a truly typical example of how “well” the modern age Howa is made then heaven help you when you spend your hard earned cash on one of these pieces of **** and they are just that….they are **** I will repeat once again.

Howas never were at the top of the list as being the most accurate out of the box factory rifle. I do not know where you got this information from.
You may possibly have been spun a load of ******** when you purchased your rifle some time ago by some slick salesman who told you this and it appears you still believe that bit of crap to this day.

Here is the real truth on this topic and I hope you might learn something from all this.

The 40 X's by Remington are the only tight tolerance factory sold rifles without going to a custom job that are and always were the most accurate out of the box factory rifles bar none.
Certainly there are others that have good tolerances and guarantee good accuracy, but do not have the reputation that the 40 X's are noted for.
As a matter of fact the 40 X's actually hold a many bench rest shoots for a factory gun and they are as close to a custom as you can get even if you built them yourself.

For a factory rifle the Tikka and Sako have an extremely good reputation for accuracy and performance. Both are made by the same people in the same factory.
The Sako's don't leave the factory unless they can fire less than 1/2" at 100 yards and Tikka firing less than 1" @ 100 yards.
All rifles produced are test fired before leaving the factory and there are NO rejects.
Each barrel is examined by eye for 5 minutes by expert craftsmen.
Sako bolts will fit in any Sako of same model with no headspace issues.
These are really well put together and are very nice rifles.

For a budget-priced rifle, the Savage is probably the most accurate factory-production rifle out there today and not your Howa thank you.
I've had witnessed uniformly excellent results with them at F Class shoots out to 1000 yards.
I would suggest Savage, triple pillar accu-stock with a 3 lbs trigger if long shots are what you are considering.

However, if you want to go up-market a bit (not too much), try the Tikka range.
They're made by Sako, and are considered to be the best value-for-money rifle on the market today - and their accuracy is equal to the Savage, whilst their workmanship and quality is just that bit better.

In the end it’s your money you are spending…..would hate to see it go to waste on a piece of ****.

Hope this clears the air.

Have a nice day

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Old 03-01-2011, 01:09 AM
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Re: Has anyone bought a Howa in the last year?

RR,

Calm down my friend. I guess I should have added a cute little to the "you need to find new mates" part of my post. Just messin' around and giving you a bit of a jab!

Ok, you completely convinced me! Remington rules the world! There are no signs of any drop in Remington quality or accuracy over the last decade+. The hundreds of threads over a dozen forums are all conspiracy theories being spread by Remington’s competitors! Remington IS the most accurate out of the box rifle because well . . . . their ads say so! They have no issues with QC, accuracy, barrel quality, and especially not with their triggers! I bet the Yankees, Cowboys, and Lakers are your favorite teams too! (Just to be clear, I am just playin’ with you here!) Please don’t call me names!

I should have been clearer in my first post, I was in a hurry, and said that Howa is known as the best rifle for the money as far as accuracy is concerned. The truth is that they consistently run as ½-1 MOA guns with ZERO work done to them. This is based on my experience with a dozen or so guns and anything I have read on Howa’s report the same. They are also a stronger action than the Big R 700. I don’t think this fact is in dispute anywhere to my knowledge. If it is I will quickly retract and add an “IMO” to that statement.

I have shot all the guns you mentioned and owned most and don’t mind paying for performance but I don’t pay extra without gaining tangible performance increases and in my experience you don’t get much if anything more from Big R, Sako, and Tikka. YMMV In addition upgrading and accurizing the Sako/Tikka is more difficult. (read as more expensive and fewer aftermarket parts) Most guys eventually upgrade in this sport and I personally don't like to lead guys in a direction that is going to cost them more money than necessary down the road. In stock form the 3 you mentioned are much more expensive guns and in general have similar or worse accuracy out of the box. The MKV is a very strong action, it has that going for it, but I haven’t seen better accuracy when looking at the averages. One gun here or there doesn't mean much to me. Even if it was the same price I am not sure it would be my choice let alone it being 3x the price of the Howa’s. For a guy buying factory the Howa’s deserve a look IMO.

BTW, I have watched the results of quite a few of the factory gun competitions the last few years. (I get a kick out of seeing what stock guns can do in the accuracy department) Not a whole lot of Remington's on the line, let alone in the winners circle. It is pretty much dominated by Savage. I think I mentioned that Savages are good shooters in my post?

I actually tried to find threads here, on the hide, and firearms forum about newer Howa's having issues. I couldn't find any. Can you point me to some? If they have indeed fallen in quality I am interested in learning more. To clarify, I am not particularly interested in 1 or 2 people's experience with a gun that doesn't shoot good groups or that blew an action. Lot's of possible reasons for that happening to any rifle from any manf and the cause seldom has anything to do with the manf. I hear it all the time, except for Big R of course! What I would like to see is the proof that they have turned to crap after being 1/2-1 MOA shooters for over 20 years at a price point better than any of their competition. That isn’t just my opinion either. I think you will find this info to be backed up just by searching the forum here for info on Howa's.

I mentioned weight because you made this comment, "No I haven't bought one and never will. Sorry to speak the truth, but what do you expect for around $500, they are a cheap investment casting, they are heavy and they are a heap of ****." What would you have me glean from this? To paraphrase, you haven't bought one, you never will because they are cheap, casted, heavy pieces of crap. What did I miss?

FWIW, I still choose to consider you a friend as we share a common interest and passion in life and likely share a number of other things in common as well. Instead of name calling and “un-friending” people I would encourage you to embrace the positives of debate and freedom of speech. It is what makes this nation and LRH great!
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Old 03-01-2011, 06:41 AM
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Re: Has anyone bought a Howa in the last year?

Scot E,

All is well and let us please cast aside our past comments and start anew.
Let us be friends as we do share the same passion.

I don't know how to say this but I did intentionally leave the Big R Rem 700 out of our previous squabble.
Thirty years ago I owned many Remington 700 action rifles in ADL and BDL configuration as well as the Classic series in various calibres over the course of time and in their standard form they were always a reliable and very accurate rifle and Remington vigorously advertised that.
Sadly though over the past few years the Rem 700 has also fallen victim to poorer production and QC except for the Sendero range which somehow seems to have better QC.
Once again my friend TopShot had recently fallen victim to one in 7mm RemMag. He bought his rifle new and later after experiencing certain difficulties a closer inspection revealed it had a very poorly machined chamber which clearly showed up its chatter marks from the reamer in the chamber. This poor chambering limited his handloading potential to soft loads resulting in poorer and lower velocities.
He has now rebarrelled and rechambered it into a 338RUM and what a magnificent and super accurate rifle it is now.
There is no doubt that the BigR 700 is indeed very popular as there is a vast array and an impressive abundance of accessories and aftermarket gear. I found this out the hard way when I looked for aftermarket gear for my Weatherby Accumarks and found the market to be very limited for the Mark 5 Weatherby but the Remmy had everything going for it.
I cannot agree where you say the Howa is a stronger action than the BigR 700 action,. It is not as this can never happen when you pit a cast action against an action machined from a steel bar stock. This is why the Rem 700 action comes out in front as being the most popular action for custom work. It is a strong action and with some blue printing is one action that is capable of extreme accuracy potential.
You only have to look at how many 338 Edge rifles are being built on this action alone but only the better ones are selected for these. Just ask Shawn Carlock.
Anyhow I am not so sure where this leaves our friend with his original question. Hope all this hasn't confused him even more but then again I suppose it is to his advantage to know this.

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Old 03-01-2011, 03:56 PM
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Re: Has anyone bought a Howa in the last year?

IMHO I don't think purchase date has much to do with an opinion. Production date or serial # might be a better question. A friend of mine recently purchased a Howa in 22-250 and is over all satisfied with it. He had a few minor issues with it, but not anything that I feel couldn't be reasonably expected from any box rifle in it's price range. Sweet or bitter deponds on luck a lot more than it should!
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