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Old 03-14-2011, 11:47 PM
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Re: MT going to cut loose on wolves!!!

Topgun 30-06
I'm sure that there are many that feel the same way you do. The Anti's feel just as strongly the other way. If they didn't then why are they still fighting against delisting after the original amount of 300 wolves with 15 breeding pairs were met years ago. They definately proved their true colors and that was to keep them listed forever. I can't say as I disagree with the way you feel however, being realistic, one has to meet certain boundaries with some give and take anymore to be successful. Particularly when you're coming from the hunting side of an issue. As I stated earlier, it may or may not have had any different outcome but the thing is, and you can't deny it, Montana and Idaho did get to put a few of them down legally. Also, the whole issue Malloy used in his verdict was based on Wyoming not getting a similar plan as Idaho and Montana did. Those plans involved setting up seasons that limited maximum annual kills and treated wolves as a game annimal just as they do bears and mountain lions. Wyoming wanted to allow a shoot on sight with no fish and game intervention or limits. You can't dispute the facts.
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Old 03-14-2011, 11:51 PM
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Re: MT going to cut loose on wolves!!!

No I meant Wyoming should buck up and let the feds know that they will not enforce nor investigate any killings of wolves. If the Feds want to make it a Fed issue let it be a fed issue and they can investigate. I was told by a possum cop (game Warden) here in Wyoming that since the Wolves were delisted once that any damage they do to livestock now comes out of the States fund, not the Feds. It's time that the States take control inside their borders and not worry about what the Feds do or think. We have abundant resources here with oil and gas, coal, and tourism that we don't really need a dime from the feds.
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Old 03-14-2011, 11:54 PM
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Re: MT going to cut loose on wolves!!!

Gone Ballistic you are partially right. Wyoming DID want a season on Wolves with limits INSIDE the Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem. Outside that area it was a shoot on sight. They are doing that right now. They have eliminated several Wolves in the Bighorn Mountains by way of Helicopter, so why not save the State some money and allow the people to do that?
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Old 03-15-2011, 12:35 AM
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Re: MT going to cut loose on wolves!!!

I am aware of that. Let's face it, if Idaho, Montana and Wyoming could have kept all the wolves inside the Yellowstone Eco-System, that would have been fantastic. Visitors to Yellowstone would have been viewing very thin wolves suffering from brucellocious and maybe a chipmunk or two. That would be the extent of wildlife they would be looking at if all the wolves were contained within that perameter. Idaho didn't get a shot at that as they were turned loose in the central portion of our elk supply. What should inflame every license holder in Idaho and Montana is the wolves were managed by revenue that came from our license sales and fees. That's why our governer finally told the feds "enough."
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Old 03-15-2011, 08:22 AM
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Re: MT going to cut loose on wolves!!!

Although I live in MI, I call Wyoming my second home and I'm usually out there from 4 to 6 weeks every Fall. I have yet to speak to one Wyoming resident, obviously including a number of ranchers, who were for introduction of wolves into the ecosystem. Wyoming did have their plan approved by the FWS in 2007 and Montana immediately raised a stink as to why it was approved when it wasn't in 2004 and 2006. The antis got involved and the FWS reversed their decision and the delisting was reversed. The antis know that every time Malloy rules in their favor that they can then recover the millions of dollars it costs them to pursue that lawsuit from Federal taxpayers because Federal law allows them to apply for and receive monies back from the Federal Government in those lawsuits. In effect, taxpayers are paying them and the courts and the taxpayer ends up the loser every time. This whole fiasco is simply a matter of states rights, just like the state of AZ now facing a Federal lawsuit for trying to control illegal aliens on their border, which the Feds are responsible for and aren't doing nearly enough. The antis, if they have their way, want wolves to roam the entire country and they are basically getting their wish by keeping this in the courts instead of in the hands of the separate state game biologists where it should be. I hunt in the Big Horn Mountains and two years ago a pack came all the way from north of Yellowstone Park and killed over 100 sheep and calves on two ranches adjacent to where I hunt. The area is over 250 miles from the Montana state line near Yellowstone. I met the Father of the Federal Agent sent in on the matter and they had to use a plane because trapping did not do the job. They were still only able to kill 3 out of the estimated 8 in the pack. The alpha male had a collar on that had been put on him by the State of Montana FWP to the north of Yellowstone Park! Last September while helping a rancher survey a new fenceline that borders the ranch where the sheep were killed we found a wolf track in the mud. I'd put the photo on this thread, but I am not computer literate in the way this site works to do it. Suffice it to say that it was larger than our hand, so it was not a coyote and I know what a cougar track looks like. My question is this? If the Feds are trying to keep them in check by killing them outside the zone like they did there, why don't they just approve the Wyoming plan and let us do it the way Wyoming has been asking in their plan from the start? Seems pretty simple to me!!! Oh, and one final thing. The question was raised as to why the antis are still involved in this even though the wolf population is many times more than the agreed upon level for delisting. The simple answer to that is that if wolves are allowed to expand and the game we hunters buy licenses for are the prey and drop to unhuntable levels everywhere like they are around Yellowstone they will have succeeded in eliminating hunting. That means if there is nothing to hunt there is no need for guns and that is their hidden agenda! It all really falls into place rather well if you are one of them and think about it a little!!!

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Old 03-15-2011, 09:35 AM
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Re: MT going to cut loose on wolves!!!

Topgun, you absolutely hit the nail on the head. The mission the Anti's now have is exactly as you speak. I don't think that they originally went into this wolf release with the thought of it being able to eliminate hunting but once they saw the wolves devastating our elk herds, a new concept for them came about with full fury. It has been proven that once the elk numbers severly diminish, secondary wildlife diminishes along with them. In addition, riparian areas will become lost due to overgrowth and it goes on and on.
Arizona has released several packs of Mexican Grey Wolves on two separate occaisions that have been killed off within a couple of months of their release and they haven't caught the culprit (hero) yet. They are trying their third introduction after laying off trying re-introduction for the past six years.
If Wyoming would just put a program in place to limit overkill I think everything would be in place. You're right about all of the sportsmen's money. They're also using Pittman-Robertson funds which come from sportsman for funding as well.
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Old 03-15-2011, 10:17 AM
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Re: MT going to cut loose on wolves!!!

The wolf issue isn't about animals of any sort. It is strictly money. The Defenders of Wildlife has a statue of a wolf on their headquarters property. It is their cash cow. Every time there is a glitch in the status of wolves they send out a mailing asking for money and people respond. If they were concerned about wildlife they would be concerned about the elk herds. Interesting article in Muley Crazy about predators and wildlife management by the feds for those that are interested. The status of the elk herds in the wolf states is sad but I don't see anything changing unless the bills in the congress are passed. We aren't going to control wolf numbers with rifles. It has been tried in Alaska and Russia.
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