is there a point in time that all public land should be accesible by all, is the notion that a select few should enjoy landlocked public land and the rest of the public that is paying for there access stamps and taxes have no right to use the land, where is the middle ground, should we give this land to the landowners so its not landlocked, what will the public get in return,,, how many acres of current block management land are pretty poor as far as wildlife habitat and game quantity, there has been a lot of quality ground taken out of block management that is for sure,
surely the public should get to use there public ground or lets not have any person use it,,,, i am tired of seeing landowners using public ground for their benefit while us sportsmen are left out,,,,i have family in the cow buisness and they are making profits they never have made, they have blm and forest land leases,,,if the rancers are not making a profit they wouldnt be paying the small amount they pay per aum right now,,,,
how has the aum rate kept up with inflation,
the landowners letting sportsmen in or across for wounded game has been pretty poor in many instances i have seen,,,,
i have a lot of state lnd close to home that is accesible on foot but i cant use my horses on it because there are no acces gates the rancher has taken them all out and places the gates where the private meets state, thus eliminating horseback use,
i have pics, filed complaints at the state lands, nothing gets done,
during archery season there are a few 180 class mule deer in these places,, every single hunt i have been on, as well as a few other locals, the rancher has been checking water, sighting in his rifle, or checking cows,, this year he sold all of his cows, has no livestock at all, so why all the problems, money from rich people paying for access is driving these problems,,,,
the non use of public land by me, the public, while a landowner does any thing they want, interrupts anyones public right of use needs to change,,,
i realize bad experiences on either part leads to bad opinions being informed,
we as sportsmen sure need our rights and out land looked at and protected more now that ever,,,
maybe the public should just decide to sell these landlocked parcels to the adjacent owners, but sell them at the going real estate prices , then the public money could be used to to purchase parcels that can be utilized by all,
Originally Posted by Broz
That editorial was written Feb 4th. That was before the last Vote where HB235 was shot down and it didn't change a thing.
The last line of the 5th amendment of our constitution reads.
"nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation"
If the public is walking on private land, and they will be, it is trespass. I heard the speech of the supporting representative of the bill HB235. She stated in no uncertain terms that what she wanted was to "Decriminalize the Act" of the trespass at the corners. In simple words to make trespass on private land legal.
Plus please don't forget the fact that a large percentage of these corners are not marked. A good GPS will only get you close ( 10' to 20') so the amount of trespass will larger than if they were surveyed. It needs to be surveyed. Then there is the problem of getting game out. How will that be done? By again "jumping in air space" at the exact corner points that are not marked with an elk on your back? The private property owner has every right to prosecute and the majority of them are so upset with what has been tried here, I am betting they will. It was shot down twice in the last few weeks for a reason. First in the committee and then by the legislators when the sponsor tried to blast it out of committee.
This is no different than if you owned a lot in town and someone told you you had to let the public cross the corner of your private property to get to a park or something. If they are walking on your private land it is indeed a "take"
There are better bills in progress now. HB404 has made it through one vote and is going forward. Driving wedges between private land owners and sportsmen and women is never good. That is what HB235 was doing. If the private property owners start taking land from the Block Management programs like they did with the brain storm HB161 more public access property will be lost and even more of the landlocked public lands will be unaccessible. There are many areas of public land that is accessed through Block Management land. HB404 will increase this and all will be happy. HB235 is wrong and only sets things up for trouble and law suits.