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Old 01-30-2013, 07:35 PM
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I see your point. But we shouldn't forget who feeds those animals year round. The reason the game is there is because there is feed.
Yup, I agree and don't mind that they make some profit from the resource but I think they should share some of the resource with the residents.

On you're earlier question, I'll send an email to BLM, USFS and my local reps and share the response.
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Old 01-30-2013, 07:50 PM
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On you're earlier question, I'll send an email to BLM, USFS and my local reps and share the response.
Thanks.

I realize this is not the end to all problems. But it seems to me that a fix to some of it is to sell the "land locked" areas and buy some of the land out there for sale that has access. Or trade for land with access. This may not be possible, I don't know. A lot of this ground was obtained by it being handed down or left to them. There could be a clause that it can never be sold??

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Old 01-30-2013, 08:45 PM
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I see your point. But we shouldn't forget who feeds those animals year round. The reason the game is there is because there is feed.
I know guys who loose 60 thousand dollars worth of hay a year to elk and deer not to mention the lose of grazing on fields!!

I think it all boils down to equal access to public ground for every user, whether it be the hunter or rancher running cattle. Most of the places I've hunted the bottom private ground has always been locked, no big deal because there has always been roads or ways to access the public ground that were used by everyone.

I know one ranch that FWP has begged to land trade or some other solution but there is no way they will because it allows the public to access what has become their personal play ground.

I do think that the average hunter has degraded in their respect for private ground, I've fixed the fences and filled in the wheel ruts, sprayed the weeds and picked up the beer cans from some of the idiots that we see. I wouldn't want any of them near my ground, make for a hard deal for everyone, especially those of use who believe in strong property rights yet like to have access to public lands!
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if i understand correctly blm land is public land. most if not all states require a min. of a walking path access when bordered by private land. same as a stream cannot be fenced if it crosses your property. a fisherman cannot wonder at will on your land but is able or allowed to get on the bank.
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The solution is to offer decent land trades for easements and back the offers up with eminent domain seizure for guys who don't play ball. The public should never be locked out of public land.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:59 PM
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Re: Montana corner crossing law hb235

Mixed feelings here.

On the one hand, I pay for a State Lands recreational use permit, so it would seem appropriate that I should be able to access said lands for recreational use.

On the other hand, I understand landowner concerns and interests. I live on a small tract of property, and have a 60-foot wide easement on my along the edge of it. It's a private access easement, for local homeowners, not a county owned/maintained road. All grading, gravel, snow plowing, etc, is paid for by the homeowners. However, the public has legal access to use the road. And they use it a lot with no regard for speeding, littering, wear and tear, etc. It can get annoying.
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if i understand correctly blm land is public land. most if not all states require a min. of a walking path access when bordered by private land. same as a stream cannot be fenced if it crosses your property. a fisherman cannot wonder at will on your land but is able or allowed to get on the bank.
There is some access requirements but you may be walking a long freaking ways to get to anything, horses are the ticket for sure but they take so much time to get back in with that it's really does not work for the guy working six days a week who need to run up to the mountains and get an elk and get home with the meat. The area I hunt I used to access with a 20-30 mile drive and now it's 180 miles, I could corner hop with a mile hike and be into the same area I hunted before. My buddy and I actually stood at a corner and went over things with a county prosecutor this year and we came up with no legal way to access this area other than the 180 mile one road drive, which has just concentrated everyone making the road terrible!

The land swap isn't very attractive to most of these guys because they don't care about the land they just want to have the public ground as a personal play ground, these guys will roll up here and drop 20-30 million dollars just to close the bottom of to access the opportunities behind the private ground for them selves. I would fight any land deal done through eminent domain, it's government orchestrated theft of personal property, kinda like the President taking your AR 15 by executive order!!!
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