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Idaho Steps Up on Wolf Issue

 
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Old 10-27-2010, 07:02 PM
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Re: Idaho Steps Up on Wolf Issue

Interesting. Are the Elk poulations on private ranches or public land? Ranches are going to fence Elk from hunting if they have cattle and of corse there will be a good populations on those. Please don't get me wrong, ranchers have every right to do what they want on private land-they pay the taxes on it. I'm just questioning the resources of public land. Do they eat the same food?
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Old 10-27-2010, 07:52 PM
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Re: Idaho Steps Up on Wolf Issue

The elk are one both private and public, in this area there is little difference. There are a couple things that cattle operations help, one is all the hay fields and range improvements that you do for cattle benefit the elk as there is more feed and higher quality the second is you need lots of water close for livestock, we try to not have a cow walk over a mile or so to water so you have developed water every where so the wildlife benefits from this also and lets them disperse wider and utilize more feed just as the cattle.

The big rub is Brucellosis, which has been blown out of proportion. There is a very narrow window that the transmission can occur and our elk population hasn't had it so far anyway.

Cattle don't compete for the same feed as hard as say sheep do, and there are only a few thousand sheep left in this county and they have almost zero BLM or forest time, cattle are very hard to get to over graze or even compete for feed because they are so lazy and picky, a sheep band will mow everything down to the roots and you have to be on top of them to keep them moved around.

The ranches are so big here that there is no tall fence so elk move back and forth depending on hunter traffic, feed, and predators. The fencing you see on a normal ranch an elk herd will destroy in one pass, it is no deterrent to them.

I'm not saying everything is perfectly compatible between livestock and wildlife but it isn't like some would have you believe that livestock are the ruin of wildlife, in fact anything that is bad for elk is bad for a cow.
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Old 10-27-2010, 08:51 PM
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Re: Idaho Steps Up on Wolf Issue

Thanks for taking the time to explain. Sounds like a good place to hunt and a good relationship.
50% of Idaho as blm or public land. While hiking through remote forest I see huge black cows grazing at 7000+ ft., no feed or water. When conditions are right I belive they lease the rights to run the cattle through to feed from the state. I guess that is the crudy thing about public land...everybody wants to use it(me included) and the state loves the money from leasing it. Putting wolfs on it with tax dollars is about the worst idea ever-hurts ranchers and hunters alike.
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Old 11-20-2010, 09:22 PM
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Re: Idaho Steps Up on Wolf Issue

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The good days of hunting are not slipping because of cattle as there are fewer than ever and wolves don't kill just the weak.
Thanks for exposing the BIG LIE. The feds knew this when they introduced the Canadian wolves....they kill both weak and healthy elk because niether one can defend themselves from wolf packs in the timbered mountains because of the short sight distance.
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