Arizona Draw Snafu, Asking “what can brown do for you” not good idea
Arizona Game & Fish Commission Denies Cabela’s Request
An apparent snafu by the delivery company with that trademark phrase has left several hundred elk hunting hopefuls out in the cold when it comes to this year’s drawings.
On Friday, the Arizona Game and Fish Commission unanimously voted to deny a request by Cabela’s that would have extended the 2008 pronghorn antelope and elk draw deadline.
The petition from Cabela’s for the extension came after theArizona Game and Fish Departmentreceived elk and antelope applications submitted by Cabela’s tag service after the established deadline. Those applications were on behalf of 568 hunters.
Cabela's offers an application service known as T.A.G.S. — Trophy Application and Guide Service. For a fee ($50 each in the case of Arizona elk and antelope), Cabela's will prepare your applications for western big game draw licenses, including analyzing and selecting premier trophy areas. They also front the application money for you ($595 in the case of Arizona elk, $485 in the case of antelope).
Arizona Game and Fish Commission officials say the petition says Cabela’s sent to the department three packages through a private courier fromNebraskaon February 11, 2008. The packages, unfortunately, didn’t arrive at the department location until after the posted deadline time of 7 p.m. on February 12, 2008.
The commission agreed to the hearing in accordance with Commission Rule R12-4-611 that allows for petitions to be heard by the commission when no other administrative remedy exists. In the unanimous decision, it appears the Commissioners felt there was really no remedy that would be equitable – other than a rejection of the petition.
As you can imagine, the chat rooms in Arizona lit up with the story – and what were some bits of miscommunication that resulted in Cabela’s commenting on some of the chats and discussion boards. In those comments, a Cabela’s spokesperson said that, despite all the rumors, there was never a thought, implication or threat of a lawsuit against the state if the petition were denied. “With full faith in the administrative process,” the statement says, “Cabela’s will abide by the decision of the Commission.”
Some of the 568 out-of-luck tag applicants might disagree with that high-road approach. The repeat applicants will lose a bonus point that would have been awarded to hunters who entered the drawing but didn’t receive a tag. If they had applied five consecutive years for a tag for a particular genus, they would also have received a “loyalty bonus point”- those, too, are gone under the petition decision. To accumulate those points now will mean not being awarded a tag for the next five years.
Arizona officials explained that under the worst case scenario an individual would not earn a bonus point, would lose one and now have to apply for five consecutive years before being awarded the bonus point. All the individuals, however, will still have the bonus points they’ve earned for being unsuccessful in past draws or draws that they purchased a bonus point.
Clear? Me neither. Net-net, the Game and Fish Commission decision means that the rules, quite simply, are the rules, even if you are a major retailer that’s been let down – big time- by a courier service.
"Some of the 568 out-of-luck tag applicants might disagree with that high-road approach. The repeat applicants will lose a bonus point that would have been awarded to hunters who entered the drawing but didn’t receive a tag. If they had applied five consecutive years for a tag for a particular genus, they would also have received a “loyalty bonus point”- those, too, are gone under the petition decision. To accumulate those points now will mean not being awarded a tag for the next five years."
I'll try to help here.
The first part is a little misleading.
They are not losing a point, they did not Gain a new point.
Second this by no means, means they can not draw a tag for the next 5 years.
It means they have 2 less points going into next years draw
If they had a loyalty point and I would think only a very small minority did.
Here is how the point system works.
1- If you take the hunter education class you gain 1 perminet point.
2- every year you apply and do not draw you gain 1 point.
3- If you apply 5 years in a row you gain a loyalty point.
4- If you miss a year you loose the loyalty point.
So:
Hunter Ed.+ yearly point+ loyalty point = points going into the draw.
1 + 6 + 1 = 8
Think of the points as lottery tickets,
You can win the lottery with only one ticket
but your chances are a little better with 8 tickets.
So those Applicants using the above numbers if they were not drawn this year will have 7 point going into next years draw instead of 9.
It is still the luck of the Draw.
Mike
Last edited by gamehauler; 03-17-2008 at 09:15 AM.
Arizona Game and Fish Commission officials say the petition says Cabela’s sent to the department three packages through a private courier fromNebraskaon February 11, 2008. The packages, unfortunately, didn’t arrive at the department location until after the posted deadline time of 7 p.m. on February 12, 2008.
Guaranteed next day delivery has never been a sure thing.
I would place blame on Cabela's.
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