What works to further silence the TAC 15 crossbow

[scr903]

I installed kit using new instructions. It will not release my arrow. I have tried building up cable sled,covering entire hammer, i sent pa crossbow requested pics 10 days ago for help. He must be on a trip or something. I have removed all product and it shoots fine. I dont think it is going to work. I read on another forum that 1 out of 10 wont work proper. Surely there is a way. Help please

[jon.henry755]

Hi scr903,
The only way to solve any problem is to understand its nature in detail. I've never seen or experienced this problem so it makes it difficult to for me to understand exactly what's not happening that is causing the cable not to release?

I know from experience how the hammer strikes the release plate on the under side of the cable sled and this forces the release of the cable to intiate the lauch process. Clearly something is not making contact to allow this process to happen correctly.

If the hammer is not making contact solid enough with the release plate, then the hammer might need to be filed or ground just slightly where it contacts the steel frame hinge pin that sits above the trigger assembly. This would allow it to rise higher against the strike plate on the cable sled. If not this, I would need to see and experiment once I fully was able to determine where the malfunction was occurring.

Currently, I'm working blind and trying to anticipate what could be causing this not to work for you and others that have experienced this problem.

Regards,

Jon

[scr903]

Glad to know there are others. I have not seen any post about any problems. I was beginning to think it was just me. I understand milling down the top of the hammer.I guess the thickness of the material would be the proper amount to take off. Maybe I should just buy a Timney but from Jon's post some are having the same issues. Pa crossbow should get on these forums and help come up with a solution.

[mmartin369]

Originally Posted by scr903

Glad to know there are others. I have not seen any post about any problems. I was beginning to think it was just me. I understand milling down the top of the hammer.I guess the thickness of the material would be the proper amount to take off. Maybe I should just buy a Timney but from Jon's post some are having the same issues. Pa crossbow should get on these forums and help come up with a solution.

I am having the same problems with it not firing and I have a timiney trigger.

[scr903]

I have taken mine completely off and it shoots perfect. I have had mine apart and tried every way I can think of and it will not release. How about some help pacrossbow. If all that are having this problem would comment maybe we can come up with a solution.

[jon.henry755]

Hi All,
I've had very little time this season so far to test and experiment with my crossbow to see if I am able to reproduce this problem on my TAC15i. I have a Timney trigger, but did not encounter this issue when I added the Silencing Kit to mine.

I can't promise that I'll be able to solve the issue, since it would require my being able to reproduce it, but if I get a chance to play with mine, I'll see what I'm able to learn. Once I can reproduce the failure, I will be able to identify what's going wrong that causes the crossbow not to release the cable once the triggers hammer strikes the steel frame pin.

I'm certain we're talking about a difference of 100th of an inch of contact against the release plate under the cable sled, but the question is "how to get that extra 100th of an inch of hammer surface back"?

Also, for the record Paacrossbow had done an extensive amount of work in identifying and testing different materials applied on different components on the TAC series crossbows in order to create a set of good silencing materials that will actually hold up under a lot of repetitive shooting.

For this, he deserves some serious credit. He first applied these materials to his TAC10 crossbow with a custom trigger and experienced no problems at all. Countless people have tried to find a workable silencing solution for the past couple of years and he's the first with any level of success, so he has helped all of us get one step closer to a great solution.

He also worked with several people who reported some minor problems, but please keep in mind that he's only one person. When he started getting shelled with every different kind of trigger system one could imagine, he had to stop responding. It's the basic Custer at the Little Big Horn scenario.

I believe we are close to resolving this problem if we could get several people who are experiencing it to report their problem and then begin working with us to resolve it. Once we fix it on one trigger, we should be able to repeat the solution on many.

I'm also going to see if I can solicit the help of a few of the old time TAC members that have helped solve an endless number of the many bugs we've fixed over the past two or three years. Their input and guidance would be priceless due to their knowledge and experience.

Regards,

Jon Henry

[Andy Backus]

Hi Guys,

Sorry to hear about the problems with the silencing kit.

I just installed the kit on my Dad's Timney Trigger and it would not fire.

I installed the material to the hammer similar to the image below.


When it did not fire, my first assumption was that the front end of the hammer (which did not have any silencing material on it) was not making contact with the little arrow release on the bottom of the cocking sled.

I had installed a small square of silencing material to the arrow release on the bottom of the cocking sled per the instructions similar to the image below.

I think the idea behind that small square of silencing material on the arrow release is to shim out the arrow release so it makes contact with the bare hammer in addition to quieting the hammer striking the release.

In my case, it didn't seem to be making contact so I re-did the silencing material on the hammer and ran it the full length of the hammer like the image below.


Now it fires.

So in conclusion, I would recommend that the silencing material be applied to the entire length of the hammer for both Timney Triggers and the PSE factory trigger.
Those are the only two trigger systems I have experience adding the silencing kit to.

Note that the final image above is of a PSE factory trigger's hammer. You can see where a couple small pieces of the adhesive material were added below one end of the silencing material to shim it out as per the instructions that come with the kit. The Timney Trigger's hammer requires the same shimming.