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What can't .223 kill?

 
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Old 05-27-2010, 12:59 AM
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Re: What can't .223 kill?

Well placed bullet out of the .223 for 200 yds max.
For the expert shooter, there is no limit.
After my second year shooting Prairie Dogs, I never worried about range when it came to deer hunting again.......If you can see it, you can hit it.
(If you, rifle, ammo, scope, wind etc are good)

We shoot every week.

For the unusual caliber test.

We put up 11" china dinner plates @ 900 yds, hanging them from tree limbs with duct tape.

The .223 with 40 gr V-Max loaded to max would crumble the 11" plate with one shot.
The 22-250 with 40 gr V-Max loaded to 4135fps would put 3-4 holes in plate before breaking plate completely.
The 220 swift loaded with 40 V-Max loaded to 4300 fps would put 4-6 shots through plate before breaking completely.
The 22-243 AI with 40 gr V-Max loaded to 5200 fps would not hit the plate, blowing up in flight or missing completely. Yes vapor trails every shot!

I work at arsenal for year making ammo.
The .223 would penatrate a helmet @ 1000 yds with the right ammo.
Also snipers from all branches could shoot 100 rounds of .223 @ 1000 yds and put all of them in a 5"x 5" target with select saws ammo.
Big deal right, Savage does it all the time with their new rifles.

In one of my old Jack Oconnor books, Jacks friend was shooting Brown Bear in Alaska with Jack and using a 22-250, 42 gr bullets. First shot hit rib, second shot went between ribs and killed the Brown Bear, very large Bear.

Bullet placement is what its all about.

I have killed whitetail deer in Missouri out to 530 yds using 60 gr partition bullet with my 22-250, my neighbor shot a doe at 800 yds with his 22-250 and a 50 gr V-Max bullet. Why 800 yds, we have a 900 yds shooting area, the doe walked out at 800, I witnessed.

I have killed a 135 lb doe at 175 yds with .223 and a 50 gr. sp bullet.
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Old 05-27-2010, 09:36 AM
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Re: What can't .223 kill?

Savage 22-243,

Fascinating post that prompts many amateur questions from me. I wish you shot at my range so that I could hit you with questions about that post for 15 minutes.
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Old 05-27-2010, 04:50 PM
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Re: What can't .223 kill?

Just ask no problem........come out this weekend, we shoot .22's @ 100 yds and try and drive thumb tacks in a board, if our aim is off then we use water ballons for fun.

Just remember, in our group, a rifle that won't shoot 1/4" group and better @ 100 yds is just a hunting rifle, target rifles need to shoot 1/4" to 3/4" @ 300 yds.
It takes a long time to tune a rifle sometimes to shoot for us, on our bugets we have all gone to Savage for the money and the one hole groups. We do have one Howa that will do it too. But it can still take days to tune a rifle well.
The .223 kills hogs well but so does the .22 short at point blank range! both shots right behind the ear!

Got a 5630 fps with the 22-243 A.I., using 30 gr V-Max and filled to the brim with Varget.........vapor trail to 75-80 yds and then poof, cloud of smoke and dust and no hit @ 100 yd target..........that is FAST!
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Old 05-27-2010, 06:35 PM
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Re: What can't .223 kill?

I don't suppose you are in the Chicago, IL area?
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Old 06-01-2010, 06:44 PM
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No, KCMO area, but will be in IL on the 11th................
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Old 06-18-2010, 11:05 AM
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Re: What can't .223 kill?

"What can't .223 kill?"

Gut shot terrorists. I have been hearing stories from soldiers that the .223 does not kill very well, and have read a article from a defense magazine that stated that soldiers are complaining that many times it takes two to three rounds to put a terrorist out of the fight.

I am not familiar with the .223 other than hearing about it effectiveness from soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan and experts on the Military Channel. Why is it that I hear that the .223 is great killing things on the one hand and that it is a completely inadequate round for any thing but varmints on the other? Which is correct?
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Old 06-18-2010, 02:17 PM
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"What can't .223 kill?"

Gut shot terrorists. I have been hearing stories from soldiers that the .223 does not kill very well, and have read a article from a defense magazine that stated that soldiers are complaining that many times it takes two to three rounds to put a terrorist out of the fight.

I am not familiar with the .223 other than hearing about it effectiveness from soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan and experts on the Military Channel. Why is it that I hear that the .223 is great killing things on the one hand and that it is a completely inadequate round for any thing but varmints on the other? Which is correct?
No man is still fighting after one near center mass hit. If it's taking two or three shots then they're not good hits. That's not the fault of the cartridge. Not even a magnum will provide quick kills on poorly placed shots.
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