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Old 08-19-2008, 09:38 PM
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Re: looking to borrow or rent eletronic dog collar

clos90009,

An e-collar is not what you need for your situation, and you're likely to do more harm with it than good. You may cure him from jumping up on people, but your just as likely to cause him to be fearful, neurotic, etc. around you and/or other people.

Dogs jump up on people because they get a reward from it -- attention, a sniffing or a licking of your face, etc. The way to get them to stop is to never allow them to get reward from it. When you or your wife get home, COMPLETELY IGNORE the dog no matter what it does until it behaves in a way that you consider acceptable -- and by completely ignore, I mean, don't even look at him. When he jumps up, turn your back before he gets there. Like a previous poster said, the key here is consistency. If you give the dog what he wants for his bad behavior ONE time, you're canceling out maybe 20 times (just a random number there, but you get the point) of doing the right thing and NOT rewarding him for his undesirable behavior. If you have visitors, either put the dog away so that he cannot get rewarded from an un-trained person who unwittingly "rewards" him for jumping up (by letting him do it and getting what he wants) -- or, if the person is a good sport, ask them to help train your dog by completely ignoring him until you tell them it is okay to pay attention to him.

What you want to do is to teach the dog a behavior to default to as an alternative to jumping up on people -- such as sitting or something.

Instead of a e-collar, get a training/animal behavior book by somebody versed in modern animal behavior science (just NOT that hack Cesar Millan) -- and start recognizing when YOU are in inadvertently doing things that reinforce the dog's negative behaviors.

90% of training a dog is training yourself to be consistent with your dog and creating an environment in your home where you are teaching your dog TO do the things you want it to do -- if you come at it from a perspective of teaching your dog NOT to do things, you'll have a much much harder time...

So teach your dog TO sit to greet people, not NOT to jump up...
TO go outside to do its thing, not NOT to piss on the furniture...


I'll stop preaching here --- it's just my wife does behavioral neuroscience, and we are both very interested in animal training and stuff. And it just drives us nuts to watch people repeatedly reinforce bad behavior from their animals, and then resort to applying punishments for the behaviors we just watched them unwittingly reinforce. Poor animals don't know what the hell they are supposed to do, and neither the owners or the animals benefit from that.

Training your dog in the field may be a different manner -- but for the most part in a domestic environment, if you find yourself punishing your dog, you should be asking yourself where you already messed up as the dog's trainer (and by trainer, I mean "person living with the dog" -- because every single interaction with your dog is TRAINING it, whether you mean it to be or not). Your household routine with the dog should be structured that it does not get rewarded for undesirable behavior, and does get rewarded for positive behavior (ie, following the routine).

Okay, I'm really stopping now. Sorry for preaching.

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Old 08-19-2008, 09:55 PM
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Re: looking to borrow or rent eletronic dog collar

no matt you are not preaching. I am just not a pet person and i know that i am not a pet person. My wife thinks she is, and when this winter comes to colorado and she has to take the dog out in the wee hrs of the morning and she is freezing her ta tas off, she will and i know she will want to get rid of the dog. (Poor dog) she starts stuff like this all the time and never follows up. Me on the other hand KNOW that i am not a Pet person. dont want to give up on the dog just cuz it is the easy thing to do. I would bet 100#s of fiftys that i will be the one out there this winter.
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Old 08-19-2008, 10:03 PM
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Re: looking to borrow or rent eletronic dog collar

I can sympathize with you there man -- I love my dogs (real dogs...), but we are dog-sitting this fuzz ball of a white rat that they call a dog for one of my wife's co-workers... NOT my idea.

We've actually made remarkable progress with the thing in a couple weeks considering how much the owners have screwed it up -- but this doggy rehab stuff is hard (and often frustrating) work, and we don't get a damn thing from it (except my wife enjoys the idea of it I guess).

The worse thing is that as soon as it goes home, they will completely undo all the progress we have made by going back to their old habits with the dog, so really all this is for nothing but my wife's amusement.

Ugh.
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Old 08-23-2008, 05:25 PM
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Re: looking to borrow or rent eletronic dog collar

problem solved, gave the pup to my sister's X who is a dog person.
told him i would visit in about 6 mo to see the progress with the dog.
Wife is pissed off to no end that i got rid of it. so now i am on the dog house. but at least i dont have to deal with a dog.
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Old 08-23-2008, 05:27 PM
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Re: looking to borrow or rent eletronic dog collar

I'm glad it worked out for you. Sounds like the best thing for the dog as well.
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Old 08-26-2008, 10:51 PM
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Re: looking to borrow or rent eletronic dog collar

when the dog jumps up its hard to step on his back toes. Instead, catch him in the sternum with your knee. Not hard, just lift the knee and he'll do the work himself. You don't have to say a word and it only takes a few days.

for cats, get the dog used to being attached to a long stretchy clothesline. Let him tow it around the yard. When the cat shows up and the dog takes off, stomp the line and he'll get a yank. Again, don't say a word - he'll catch on and associate the cat with the yank.

Anything you can do with a collar you can do with the stretchy clothesline.

Lastly, the dog NEVER wins a challenge. You (& your wife) are the boss & the pack leader. The dog must submit to the pack leader....
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Old 08-27-2008, 10:37 AM
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Re: looking to borrow or rent eletronic dog collar

getting daily updated via my sister. sister's X boyfriend thinks he won the lotto with this dog. The heeler is papered and will be a great dog for him. so we all won in this one, except for my wife, who was sad and mad. but he said we can visit anytime we like,
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