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Old 07-25-2008, 09:58 AM
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Ethical long range shots?

Seems like there is a considerably better chance of making a good shot on an animal bedded down and much more risk if the animal is on its feet and can move as the trigger breaks. Is a shot ethical on a standing animal which is moving frequently? What about an animal on the edge of thick growth, where a followup shot would not be possible and the animal might not show immediate signs of being hit. Would that increase the risk? It seems to me the answer would be to pass up such opportunities but I am not experienced at long range shooting and would like to hear from those who are.
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Old 07-25-2008, 10:13 AM
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Ethics are like religous and politcal beliefs. Everyone has ideas, and they're all different. Do you have the skills to make the shot and the judgement to know if / when there is a shot? Of course, experience is something you gain right after you need it.

My point is, whatever ethics you have they aren't universal.
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Old 07-25-2008, 11:03 AM
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grit,

Couldn't have said it better myself!
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Old 07-25-2008, 12:38 PM
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This is from the rules of this board.
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This board was created for the expressed purpose of discussing the methods, equipment and techniques of Long Range Hunting without the burden of discussing or debating ethics. Although we all individually have ethics and limitations on what we consider correct WE DO NOT discuss nor will we tolerate discussions of ethics on this site. We are here to learn and share methods, techniques and equipment ideas.
So, as far as the ethical part of your questions goes........no response.

As to the part about taking the shot: All variables concerning the animal, weather and environmental conditions and my abilities to make the shot decide whether I take the shot or not. I agree, again, with what Shawn stated, and that is, I take the shot when and if I am of the mindset that I would be amazed if I missed the shot. If that condition and feeling doesn't exist.......I don't take the shot.
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:06 PM
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Dick,
You are somewhat new here so perhaps I could provide a bit of info that might be of interest. Your question raises valid considerations regarding taking or passing on a shot.

Seems like every conversation about "ethics" creates dissension so Len has a rule that we do not get into that area. I totally agree and feel this makes our site work better. I also feel we all have or should have personal ethics while hunting, fishing and many other activities in life. I have no right to impose my ethics on others nor does anyone have the right to do so to me, simple as that. That is usually what evolves so why go there. There are other sites where endless time is wasted on issues and ethics, our objective is to share info about the practical aspects of long range hunting.

Now having brought up the points, perhaps we can answer your question by suggesting as some other guys have already done - very simply do not shoot unless you are (pick a number...) 90%, 95% or virtually certain your bullet will hit where you aimed. Having said that we also must be realistic and understand that wounding happens, sometimes because of factors out of our control. What we should try to eliminate is the possibility of wounding happening because we launched a shot when we were less than confident in a lethal hit.

There are a lot of fine sportsmen on this site, everyone respects the critters we hunt and wants to kill as quick and cleanly as possible. The strength of this site is the quality and ability of the participants who share realistic information. My goal is to utilize the full capability of my equipment - and I am fortunate to have equipment that is accurate to much longer distances than most factory gear.
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:22 PM
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Maybe another way to ask your question would be, "How long does it take a bullet to travel "x" distance and what would the likelyhood be of the animal moving in that time. The answer to the first part is very easy to detrmine with a balistic calc, the answer to the second is much more subjective and experience in observing and knowing your game goes a long way in making a judgemnet call.

I read a post where a guy shot at a buck at a *normal* range and the buck flipped his head back to his side to shoo a fly at the exact moment he pulled the trigger and hit it in the antler.

There are very few sure, 100% situations in hunting, if any. Bottomline for me is I have to feel comforatable and confident before I take the shot.

There are a lot of guys in this forum who could confidently make a shot that I could not, so my personal limitations are different.
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Old 07-25-2008, 03:35 PM
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Dick,

Practice at the longest range that you are comfortable with and then you will gain proficiency. Once that is achieved, you will then be able to push the envelope even further.

I think you will find that most of us here practice at the ranges we expect to hunt/make shots. Once you get all your gear tuned and the pilot qualified to fly the rifle, you will be surprised as to how easy it is to get repeatable results.

Good shooting.

James
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