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45-70 Gov. VS .338 MAG VS .300 Mag.

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Unread 12-17-2013, 01:33 AM
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Re: 45-70 Gov. VS .338 MAG VS .300 Mag.

I primarily hunt with my .50 ML so 200 yards is my long range hunting for that. Yes I shoot sabots so used the trajectory data for a 45/70 to approximate the ML to start out. Drilled and elk at 200 yards with a one shot kill through the heart but I like to get closer with the ML. Killed many mule deer at 500-600 yards with a fixed 4x on Win. Model 70 .270 Win. platform and "Kentucky wind age". I love the .222 Rem. with 10x fixed for praire dog shooting out to 500 yards.

The only point I was making was from what I read this was the first post by someone. I ran into some guys shooting black powder cartridges, like the 40/60 Sharps I think (it was over 20 years ago), at long range. The 800 yard gongs was close. Their first response to me when I tried to learn more about it and how to get into it, I never went back. So I must have taken it wrong.

Now I am going to watch them hunt Oryx here in NM on Optik Quest after Best of the West was on.
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Unread 12-17-2013, 02:43 AM
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Re: 45-70 Gov. VS .338 MAG VS .300 Mag.

Red Sparky

The OP, bigrick37, stated he wanted another rifle. I am happy to help someone buy another gun! Having started my centerfire shooting with a Rem 742 in 30/06 I am a huge fan. Yeah, it will do it all just fine. But bigrick wants another rifle.

300WinMag is today's 30/06, a do-it-all. But he has an '06 and another 308cal makes no sense in a two gun battery.

45/70 is powerful up close - with handloads. Bigrick didn't mention reloading and there is good factory stuff but the 45/70 needs the custom touch of handloading to develop it's superior knockdown punch. But still possible.

338WinMag is an awesome big game cartridge. Tons of energy, long range, big well constructed bullets, everything you could ask in a heavy hitter. It's biggest advantage is superior Factory Loaded ammo. Full range of Barnes' finest in their own Vor-Tex line, and Nosler puts out a top quality in house line of ammo with their best bullets.

In my mind it is the caliber to extend bigrick's hunting selection and be able to get maximum bang for his buck.

But it is still an opinion.....
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Unread 12-26-2013, 09:13 AM
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Re: 45-70 Gov. VS .338 MAG VS .300 Mag.

There are some rather good spitzer moulds for 45 cal that would help a 45-70 stretch its legs a bit. It's still a sub 200 yard gun for most people though.
Either of the above mags would fill the bill well for most anyone with the 338 getting top billing if you already have an '06.

I'm not to sure at this point that the o.p. is around any longer to care though, as he hasn't been logged in since his post date. Smacking someone over the head with "long range hunting" on a simple question asked is a sure way to run them off imo..
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Unread 12-27-2013, 09:56 PM
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Re: 45-70 Gov. VS .338 MAG VS .300 Mag.

My apologies to the OP for the long range comment. No harm or insult intended.

Barnes makes some Semi- Spitzer 45 caliber bullets just for hot loads in 45/70. 300 & 350 grain solid copper and 300 & 400 grain cup and core copper jacketed "Originals".

All four have a much higher BC than any Flat Nose and retain enough velocity and energy out to 300 yards for hunting. Trajectory isn't bad either. But they work only in Siamese Mauser conversions and Ruger #1 & #3's.

The 400 grain Barnes Original is a beast in these hotter loads.

Be advised that the recoil is commensurate with the power generated!

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Unread 12-28-2013, 07:42 PM
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Re: 45-70 Gov. VS .338 MAG VS .300 Mag.

I too have a guide gun in 45-70 and if you are looking to punch thru just about anything 150 yards or less I would tell you to consider hand loading some of the 525gr cast bullets from Beartoth Bullets, or factory loaded BuffaloBore, or Garrets Hard Cast. I also realize this cartridge isn't a long range proposition but if my tail is on the line up close and personal, I wouldn't hesitate with this setup.

Some very good and interesting reading is on Garrets website regarding penetration, bullet weight, and speed with heavy bullets. I was very surprised when I read it but have since observed similar results with heavy cast bullets.

Just something to consider...

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