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45-70 Gov. VS .338 MAG VS .300 Mag.

 
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Old 10-29-2013, 09:50 PM
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Re: 45-70 Gov. VS .338 MAG VS .300 Mag.

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I've been looking for info on 45-70 Gov. vs .338 H&H Mag. vs 300 Win. Mag.
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Old 10-30-2013, 09:20 AM
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Re: 45-70 Gov. VS .338 MAG VS .300 Mag.

First comment I am going to make will get me in trouble with the 300 win mag crowd. Any thing the 300 win mag can do, the 338 win mag will do better. This is because of the bullet weight choices avalible. I have killed every thing from deer to elk with both. Given the choice 338 wins every time. What you really need to ask yourself is. What are my expectations for range. If most of your hunting is heavy timber or brush. Shorter ranges ( 300 yards or under) don't over scope the gun. A 1.5x5 in a Leopold or other good optic will do a much better job than scopes that only go down to 3 or 4 power.

All that nonsence out out of the way. The 45-70 in a modern rifle is no handicap for shooting the biggest game with the right bullet and velocity choice. You have to really pay attention to the avalible factory ammo out there. Not all are created equal. Horandy makes a great bullet in the 325 gr. But they have a feed problem in the lever actions. Buffalo Bore makes some great heavy 405 grain or heavier loads in the +P range for the 45-70.

No matter what firearm you use. Shot placement along with the right combination of energy and bullet construction will anchor them in place.
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Old 11-04-2013, 11:29 AM
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Re: 45-70 Gov. VS .338 MAG VS .300 Mag.

First off I'm assuming you meant 338win mag rather than H&H.

Your 3006 is everything you need for hunting moose and bear. Use a premium bullet in 165 to 180 grain and then go forth and kill an ark full of critters. As others have mentioned being able to place your shot is more important than the cartridge.

Now if you "want" another rifle I understand and am here to enable you. A 338wm is a wonderful choice for moose and bear. I have shot 338wm for years and love it. It is devastating up close and is effective out to 500 yards with practice.

It is truly the 3006's bigger brother. Similar velocities and trajectories when comparing 180's on the 3006 to 250's in the 338. The lower velocities of the 3006 and the 338 mean less shot meat.

I have a 4570 in an older minty Marlin. The rifle is surprisingly accurate and the kick is mild, however with it's rainbow arc trajectory I view it as a sub 200 yard cartridge.

I do not currently own a fast 30 because of the kick and the meat damage.
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Old 11-07-2013, 10:39 AM
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Re: 45-70 Gov. VS .338 MAG VS .300 Mag.

The 30/06 is plenty of cal for moose with the right bullet, shot placement within your shooting capabilities. If I was selecting between the 300 vs the 338. Hands down would be the 338. With the 300 mag your just pushing the 30/06 bullet a little faster. With the 338, you push heavier bullets a little faster than the '06 giving you more energy and "knockdown" power.

I own a marlin 1895 45/70, it's a good brush gun period. I wouldn't shoot it out past 150 yards.
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Old 11-13-2013, 08:28 PM
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Re: 45-70 Gov. VS .338 MAG VS .300 Mag.

Shoot the gun that you are confident in. If I had a choice between a brand new bad ass .338 with the most expensive ammo that I had only shot a couple of times vs. my 30/06 that I had been hunting with for the last 10 years I would take that hands down every time because I know it like the back of my hand I've put hundreds of rounds thru it I'm confident in it and I know it has never let me down/never will. Just my .02.
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Old 11-20-2013, 02:03 AM
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Re: 45-70 Gov. VS .338 MAG VS .300 Mag.

I've owned an '06 and reloaded for it. But it was a long time ago. The heaviest bullet I pushed through it was a 200 gr spt. Granted, pushing a heavy slug in the '06 didn't reach out and topple game far off in the distance but I'm sure it could have. I understand why there are magnums, ultra mags, belted mags and so forth. And this web states "long range hunting". Whatever round you choose, it should be tailored to what game and distance situations you will be hunting in. If the game where you hunt is within 100 to 150 yds, the 45/70 will suit your needs. Also, the '06 you already have can do just as good. If you think you will be hunting moose farther out, then that's where the need for a magnum, ultra magnum, or a belted mag would come into play. With the mag's, you take a projectile and sling it farther and faster down range. Flatter shooting and more energy, with the correct bullet configuration you can topple any moose. Every hunter wishes for that "bang, flop" results with the moose. I've been hunting them every year since the time I started with my father when I was young. They always take a few steps either way before they flop even with a well placed shot.
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Old 12-07-2013, 01:26 PM
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Re: 45-70 Gov. VS .338 MAG VS .300 Mag.

338 win mag
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