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45-70 Gov. VS .338 MAG VS .300 Mag.

 
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Old 08-29-2013, 06:37 PM
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45-70 Gov. VS .338 MAG VS .300 Mag.

Hello.....I am new to this site and I'm sure you all have had this type of discussion several times but here it goes.....I currently have a 30-06 Savage with a nice scope and have taken deer with it ( 2 in Maine and 1 in S.C.)...it was a gift that I truly enjoy ..... I will be returning to Maine "Full Time" soon (currently in Florida) and I am looking forward to hunting in Northern Maine (possibly even in Canada ) for a BIG Black Bear and hopefully a Moose .... I will be looking for a rifle just for that ...I've been looking for info on 45-70 Gov. vs .338 H&H Mag. vs 300 Win. Mag. and a few others .... I helped a friend recover a Moose in the deep Maine woods ... let me tell you it was a lot of work ... the moose did NOT drop quickly....I know shot placement has a great deal to do with this ...but I want to make a Simple, Clean & Quick Single Shot with minimal ''tracking''
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Old 08-29-2013, 08:24 PM
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Re: 45-70 Gov. VS .338 MAG VS .300 Mag.

The name of this site is LONG range hunting...So dur to that the 338 caliber with its attributes is definitely the way to go. Once that is said if you reload the 45-70 its one deadly SOB. With a 400 gr Barnes original and h4195 loaded on a freebored barrel it can match if not surpass the 458 win mag. If you rebarrel with a Lothar Walther barrel which is made from a harder steel you can even go to the 458 Lott power. I know there are sever doubters on here so if you call 2 gunsmiths that come to mind they can help with a built 45-70 to compare to the 300 win. Jim Brockman in Gooding Idaho and M.L. Phearson. Google them and they can give you a true comparison and educate you on the power of a 45-70.
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Old 09-16-2013, 09:44 AM
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Re: 45-70 Gov. VS .338 MAG VS .300 Mag.

As was pointed out, the site is called longrangehunting.com so the 45-70 probably doesn't fit into that paradigm.

I have a few questions for you that might help the folks around here be more helpful to you:

  • Do you want to hunt moose at long range or at typical hunting distances?
  • Do you hand load?
  • 338 H&H Mag? Do you mean 338 Win Mag?
  • Will a hard-recoiling, expensive-to-feed magnum limit your practice time?


I hope you aren't getting rid of your trusty 30-06 to purchase this magnum! While she is an old caliber, there is a ton of ammunition to choose that is suitable for moose. From what I have witnessed, a well placed shot from a 270 Win is better than a poorly placed shot from a 338. That being said I would rather have a well placed shot from a 338

Your experience with a long track on a moose isn't that uncommon. You can't always fix that with a bigger rifle, though a larger diameter hole definitely helps. You are talking about one of the largest big game animals in North America here; they aren't that easy to kill quickly. If you recall field dressing your buddy's, their hearts are the size of our heads. Their lungs are enormous and take a very long time to bleed out even if large portions are destroyed.

My advice? Whatever rifle you use, make sure you are good with it. Shoot them in the spine if you are close/confident enough. The spine is 4"-5" wide on moose I've cut apart so it's not impossible by any means. An experienced hunter and game warden I know advises people to drill them right in the shoulder at spine height. There is a lot of meat that will survive just fine and it will nearly guarantee immobilizing them. Lastly, if you hit them and it's not the "bang-flop" we all dream and hope for, don't pressure the animal. If they weren't alert when you shot them, they will often take a few steps, feel poorly and lay down. If you just give them their space and relax they will stay right there in most cases. If you get all excited and head over towards it often times you will give the animal the adrenaline surge needed to get back up and run.


Sorry if I sound preachy I'm just dolling out what little I know. Others will chime in I'm sure!
Happy Shooting & Happy Hunting
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Old 09-16-2013, 10:10 AM
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Re: 45-70 Gov. VS .338 MAG VS .300 Mag.

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for a BIG Black Bear and hopefully a Moose .... I will be looking for a rifle just for that ...I've been looking for info on 45-70 Gov. vs .338 H&H Mag. vs 300 Win. Mag. and a few others
I've had a 45-70 and in close with the right bullets it still works. Not a slight to it but when it's compared to the others for up close and personal work it's usually with bullets that don't give a good representation of their close range effectiveness. Example, in .30-06 and magnum .30's the Nosler 220 grain Partition will get the attention of big bear or moose when placed well. The .338's using 275 grain Swift A-frames or 300 grain Woodleighs also deliver close range performance. I don't know if .338 H&H was a typo or if you're including the .375 in your question but again there are some very good bullets for your purpose there. The more modern cartridges will deliver at longer ranges more easily the .45-70.
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Old 09-16-2013, 10:22 AM
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Re: 45-70 Gov. VS .338 MAG VS .300 Mag.

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.... With a 400 gr Barnes original and h4195 loaded on a freebored barrel it can match if not surpass the 458 win mag.
Got any left? A good bullet in it's time, I have a few in other calibers. Just curious if you've a few put away for a special day.
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Old 09-16-2013, 01:25 PM
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Re: 45-70 Gov. VS .338 MAG VS .300 Mag.

hello, just a suggestion. rebarrel to .338-06. I didon a rem.700 in .280.I wanted something different.Shilen .338-06 barrel from Midway(24")St.St. Gunsmith bedded it.It shoots 1/2''groups with factory ammo.If you reload your choices are great since .338 bullets are in large varity.I think recoil is less than 30-06 and much less than the magnum. I'm taken it to Maine this season!
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Old 10-20-2013, 09:31 PM
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Re: 45-70 Gov. VS .338 MAG VS .300 Mag.

I think your best bet is to use the 06 as is. It'd be big medicine for your intended use loaded with some barnes 180 gr tsx bullets. Load them yourself, or use the factory barnes vor-tx ammo. The 06 is a very versatile rd.
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