Originally Posted by phorwath
I can't agree with any of the portions of your post that remain quoted above. We already had access in Afganistan to hunt down Bin Laden and his top command. That's who attacked us. Iraq didn't attack us. Saddam didn't attack us.
I think it's overly arrogant, and so does the rest of the world, to presume that the US has any right to attack and occupy a foreign country for the purpose of spreading American-style freedom. How is that any different than what the communist USSR was doing prior to and during the cold war? Why didn't they have that right, if you believe we have it.
We had the support of the world to go after the Bin Laden organization. We lost the support of the world when we lied to justify our invasion of Iraq.
How many more countries should we attack and occupy to spread freedom. Would you go to Iran next? How about North Korea? USSR? China? How about the African countries. Heard of Darfur? It's not the US duty or right to use force to overthrow foreign powers that we have some differences with. Democracy should be tolerant, not arrogant. And Bush's arrogance has led us to where we are today. We've spent ourselves militarily and financially with very little to show for it. Why should any other country come to our assistance when we act and implement unilaterally as Imperialist of the planet.
Obama's after-the-fact quarterbacking is exactly correct on the war against terrorism. We should have concentrated on Bin Laden until he was dead or captured, and obliterated his organization as a first priority. We had the support of the world on that mission and we blew it. Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld. What a screw-up. Rumsfeld should have been canned after the first 12 months of failed strategy. It will be a long, long time before the rest of the world gives us any benefit of the doubt when we next choose to pick a fight. And have you noticed. We can't go it alone. One itsy bitsy country like Iraq and we've spent ourselves. Who's taking advantage of that now? Iran.
Call me "short-sighted" and proud of it.
I don't know if it is arrogance or ignorance to put the US on the same moral plane as the USSSR. The US has never taken anything from a country that it has gone to war with other than a piece of ground to bury her dead on. The rest of the word thinks what it has always thought, they love us when we are bailing their butts out of sure defeat from fascists or communists. If we are protecting our own self interest we are hated. It has always been the same. Personally I don't know what the rest of the world thinks has to do w/ the security of our country.
To say that we have no right to spread freedom is like saying we have no right to help another country grow more food. You think we should be tolerant of other countries right to slavery. As if the people of that country prefer to live that way. I guess as long as you are free then the rest of the world can live under oppressive rule, as long as they do it over there and not too close to you.
I assume that in your mind the Taliban is in great shape. Sitting in their caves being thankful that we got sidetracked in Iraq. Probably out playing golf trying to decide what to have for dinner at the country club. What makes you think that Bin Ladin is still alive? Perhaps you have spoken to him, many of your points sound just like his.
You obviously to not believe in good guys and bad guys. They only have a difference in opinion. Everything is of moral equivalence to you. Am I wrong?
If our country does not stand up for it self, what country would do it for us? If our country does not stand in the way of world fascism, then what country would? China? Maybe France? I know, Venezuela? Better yet maybe we should sit back for a while and let Canada do the heavy lifting. After all, with their socialized medicine, they should be in great physical shape. Perhaps the EU can do it? Oh, that's right, we are deploying a missile defense system in order to protect them.
Like it or not, pal, we are it. If we do not keep our head in the game, we will get taken out by some other country that wants what we have. There is a reason we have not had war on our soil, and I for one hope we never loose sight of that.
I am truly sorry that you and others like you are so bitter and full of contempt for the country that gives you the right and freedom to do what you are doing right now. It's like the dog that bites the hand that feeds him.