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letter from RMEF about wolves

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Unread 12-03-2011, 02:31 PM
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Re: letter from RMEF about wolves

old i knwo but good read!
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Unread 12-03-2011, 03:21 PM
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Re: letter from RMEF about wolves

Originally Posted by RockyMtnMT View Post
It is about time the RMEF took a stand with the sportsman. They should have done it years ago. Their policy of staying neutral in political issues was to the detriment of the wildlife they say they are trying to help. They have made a living off the backs of hunters since their inception, yet never once before this have they stood up for us. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong.) They have always directed their magazine and memberships toward hunters but not used our money to help us in any sort of hunter access, gun rights, or hunting rights. They are too little too late as far as I am concerned. They may have stepped to the plate in this situation, but I am not convinced that they are actually swinging at the ball.

Again correct me if I am wrong. I would like to be wrong on this one.

I'd like you to be wrong, but unfortunately you aren't. That letter is now a year and a half old, and other than a change in rhetoric/marketing what have they done?They haven't even issued a new letter for us to talk about. My favorite part of the Crying Wolf video is the head of the RMEF talking about the blank look you get when you speak with state officials-it's the same look I got from RMEF officials when I asked them if they thought the locked gates they are so proud of was going to stop the wolves. I've been present when they refused to even discuss wolves, not politically correct you know.
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Unread 12-03-2011, 07:28 PM
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Re: letter from RMEF about wolves

The RMEF is part of the problem, not part of the solution. They are supposed to be the "final word" on Elk.
Yet they have long taken a wishy washy stand on wolves, never exposing the lies. Try searching their site for the word "hydatid" and nothing comes up...ever. They have not told their members the ugly truth about USFWS and how they deceived us.

I was a member years ago. Never again. They are controlled opposition.
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Unread 04-19-2012, 12:57 PM
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Re: letter from RMEF about wolves

Good one,
Well written, right directly to the source. But they don’t have to do anything, they have an out.

Their position is “No upper limit for wolf populations”, regardless of impact or cost. It is indefensible as far as wildlife or wolves are concerned, but it makes perfect political and financial sense for them. Because, by not specifying or supporting maximum acceptable numbers they maintain the "right of first refusal" in the perpetually outraged environmentalist circles.

Marx had a concept (well Trotsky and some others) called "permanent revolution" and our progressive/socialist environmentalists have planned into every reintroduction program, an un-resolvable point of contention. They have a predictable stage in every wolf plan that will allow them to perpetually argue against killing any wolves.

Regardless of what they agreed to pre-reintroduction. Regardless of the arguments they made based upon “their scientists research”, it is in their interest to react sensationally when wolves are killed. Every wolf killed is a propaganda bonanza. It feeds their revenues, and keeps their leadership funded; it also serves as a highly visible marker issue in anti-hunting and anti-trapping efforts.

They have somehow convinced their followers that if they can drive the free and independent hunters, trappers, farmers, ranchers, or anybody they disagree with, out of business, or legislate them out of existence, or regulate them beyond recovery, that their "no liberty, no private property ownership, "we tell you and you don't count" version of socialist utopia can be a reality.

The trouble with Marxism and the like is that the plan is always to keep the bottom, on the bottom; it is the only way that system works. All they want is a change of leadership and a redistribution of power and wealth. They need a massive moody mob that they can mobilize by waving meat over their heads, ostensibly so that when they get what they want.... well they can never allow that, because that’s when they have to prove true and make the utopia reality. They would have to deliver on all their promises, and they can’t, they never really thought they would be able to. Socialism has never worked, it can't, it has a self limiting set screw on the carburetor throttle cable labeled "running out of other people’s money". Socialism ONLY works in the revolution stage, they can't allow the revolution to end, and it means they end.

They need constant turmoil, revolution, and wild points of contention to keep the "stir" going. The mob is willing and useful idiots will rise to serve with enthusiasm. Wolves are a great issue for them. Wild horses are a great issue for them. People who kill wolves or slaughter horses are heaven sent gifts.

I don't think it was ever about wolves; it was (and is) about what wolves can get them. Resolution of the issues is not in their interest. For them to define the upper limit of the wolf population, is to side with the wolf killers and in the eyes of the mob, that makes them wolf killers to. They would have no solid base of support left to manipulate, they would be a target of their own mob.

I think our concerted efforts should be to force the wolf advocates hand somehow to get them to nail down the upper limit. If we do that we take away their open ended, movable goal line, bonanza.

Every hunting season debate or trapping season debate or livestock predation debate should have a focused public information and involvement component. Every meeting with the government should somehow direct the government to move for specificity on population indicators when lethal action is to be taken. For example: “The wolf population can exceed X# and lethal management methods can be employed”. As it is now, government won’t specify upper limits of any animal they are responsible for managing. Perhaps it can be legislated that the government is required to have the upper limit before finalizing any plan or proposal. Any wolf advocate proposal would have to include specificity in this area BEFORE government could even accept their proposal for review. Wolf advocates would have to pin themselves down, or they won’t get the wolf reintroductions they want. It is not workable now, and it feeds the attack on our liberty.
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Unread 04-20-2012, 09:18 AM
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Re: letter from RMEF about wolves

Say what, LOL? I hope you know more about dog training that you showed in that post on the RMEF and wolves!
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Unread 05-22-2012, 12:25 AM
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Re: letter from RMEF about wolves

Too little, way toooooooooo late! RMEF!
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