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Old 07-17-2013, 08:26 AM
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Re: A landmark day for pro Second Amendment Supporters

Personally I do not think this was a race issue or even a right to self defense issue...the only issue I see is that a grown man killed a 17 year old. If it were a 30 year old black, white, asian whoever killing a 30 year old black, white, asian, etc I do not think this would have been such a large case. I am pro self defense, pro right to carry, and thought President Obama's comments were not appropriate, but once again the biggest issue was the age difference and maturity level of those involved. At the end of the day a child is still dead and a man has to walk around looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life. Its a lose lose.
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Old 07-17-2013, 08:52 AM
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Though I'm well past 60, I don't consider a 17 year old, a child. In most states a 17 year old is onsidered an adult and a 17 year old has control of his or her scruples, we hope.

I don't believe Mr. Zimmerman for a second considered Tarvon's age, all he saw was someone beating on him and acted accordingly.

I've siad before (and will again), whats needed is a complete overhaul of central government, every elected and appointed official needs to be expunged and installed, needs to be officials that represent the people and officials that respect and uphold the law of the land. However, that probably won't happen because a growing segment of the populus wants to be 'coddled and protected' by the central government. That segment wants the government to attend to their every and any need and that crosses all race religious and ethinic boundaries.

When the final bell tolls, everyone will be indentured serfs, indentured to a central government. A government that will attend to their every need, at a price of course and that price is freedom.

Very sad.

Glad I won't be here to see that.

However, your kids will.
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:08 AM
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One of the problems today is, no one is held accountable for their actions. That goes for government officials, and very much so with the younger population that get very little real parenting. I will assume that this 17 yr old has had many instances in his younger life where he got away with unacceptable actions. If there was any due "respect for elders", like we were taught, he would not have been physically assaulting Zimmerman. I see this all the time, lack of respect and no accountability for wrong doing. Children need to be taught this long before they are out and on their own to make adult decisions. This time the 17 yr old man got himself in trouble and his unacceptable action cost him his life.

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Old 07-17-2013, 09:11 AM
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Yes that is a good point...its dark, he was wearing a hooded sweat shirt, and Zimmerman most definitely had the fight or flight response going. I still see a 17 year old as a child, though. From my experience in the military you need to have direct supervision of the 18-22 year old age group to get your tasks accomplished. So yes a 17 year old doesnt have the maturity level to know when to back down. I have seen Soldiers do it time and time again. I think age is more of the issue with this one. Also, sidecarflip, I will not have children if things continue the way they do. ;)

"I see this all the time, lack of respect and no accountability for wrong doing. Children need to be taught this long before they are out and on their own to make adult decisions."

yes this is an excellent point...if only the world operated like that.

Last edited by 300whisper; 07-17-2013 at 09:21 AM. Reason: Broz made a good point
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:34 AM
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Re: A landmark day for pro Second Amendment Supporters

Got an e-mail yesterday from my attorney about Pat Buchannan and how CNN has dropped him as a commentator because of his made public stance on Civil Rights

I want everyone to keep something in mind and that is, I'm not a white Anglo Saxon. I don't usually bring race up, I prefer not to. I believe in equality and I believe in transparency. A forum such as this is no place for racial bigotry.

.........
The White Sideof the Story of Negroes

This is the reason CNN has dropped Buchanan. It's like Newt G. said, "You re not supposed to bring up uncomfortable Facts."
BUCHANAN TO OBAMA
Finally.............It is Said Publicly. I have never seen the white side explained better!
Pat Buchanan had the guts to say it. It is
about time!!

BUCHANAN TO OBAMA
By Patrick J. Buchanan

Barack says we need to have a conversation about race in America .. Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation.. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.... This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard. And among them are these:

First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.. Jeremiah Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the '60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream. Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks -- with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas -- to advance black applicants over white applicants. Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated their time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.
We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude??

Barack talks about new 'ladders of opportunity' for blacks. Let him go to Altoona? And Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for 'deserving' white kids...? Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America ? Is it really white America 's fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time?

Is Barack aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse?

We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena. And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing.

Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago.
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Old 07-17-2013, 12:16 PM
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The racism in this case is Zimmerman is so racially mixed he fits in nowhere. The truth is if Obama had a son he could look just like George. Racism exists. If the Administration wishes fight it the first step is in house. Hold Holder accountable for NOT enforcing the law when its the Black Panthers, or the NTSB. Captain Sum Ting Wong, and co-pilot Ho Li Fuk, this is OK because it was a Korean joke, the selective enforcement of the laws and standards by this Administration is where the real racism is. How many Mexican dead does it take to get Holder fired.
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Old 07-17-2013, 02:00 PM
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Re: A landmark day for pro Second Amendment Supporters

Eric Holder will be there until Obama isn't. At that time, he'll be gone. Until then he's a fixture, Obama's buddy.

My opinion of Holder is he's a scant step above a terrorist himself.

What we are seeing is Chicago machine politics in Washington and an extremely biased media. There is no transparency or equality in news reporting today.
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